Chinese new SSN: Improved 093 & 095 & The next-gen

Looking at the photos above it does not look as long as western subs are especially the Trident 2 subs of the US and Royal Navy, is that what the PLAN were wanting or is that just one step onto a bigger SSBN?
 
Thanks Rumil, it is so easy to get mixed up with the PLAN submarines, now I know what is what.
 
It seems 095 will be using a 38MWe turbo-generator set as Bohai has recently procured two of these likely for the 3rd and 4th boat of the class. This should give 095 comparable power to Seawolf(33.5MW-38.8MW) and Yasen-M(37MW) albeit 095 will be using turbo-electric propulsion instead of mechanical.
 
Scott Kenny said:
Immediately forward of the rudder, the OML "scoops" up to the line of the ship.

Instead of smoothly tapering down like the Astute or Ohio do.
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The original basis of the comparison was the "turtleback" which I presumed meant the missile compartment on Delta III/IV, which 09IIIB definitely lacks in a similar manner.
If one was comparing the 09IV then that would be much more reasonable, but resemblance to 09IIIB on that basis is unconvincing at best.
 
Blitzo said:
The original basis of the comparison was the "turtleback" which I presumed meant the missile compartment on Delta III/IV, which 09IIIB definitely lacks in a similar manner.
If one was comparing the 09IV then that would be much more reasonable, but resemblance to 09IIIB on that basis is unconvincing at best.
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Refers to the freeflooding area fairing above a pressure hull.

And that shape is very weird on the 093B.
 
Hull talk about 093 always makes me wonder if we can be absolutely positively be certain it is in fact a true double hull design as it is usually described? Or is it some sort of a hybrid design or is there even a chance it is a single hull design. sadly, there doesn't seem to be a way to tell from the exterior look of the submarine alone, its shape, limber holes etc. Sail shape used is usually associated with single hulls but even that is, in the end, not necessarily proof. I guess the biggest indication (but not proof) it's double hulled is submarine's dimensions, width and length, coupled with the role and vintage. And i guess 9 meter diameter rings observed at submarine shipyard are another indication, but also inconclusive.
 
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Tomboy said:
It seems 095 will be using a 38MWe turbo-generator set as Bohai has recently procured two of these likely for the 3rd and 4th boat of the class. This should give 095 comparable power to Seawolf(33.5MW-38.8MW) and Yasen-M(37MW) albeit 095 will be using turbo-electric propulsion instead of mechanical.
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Remember that you also need to assume around 5-10MW for ship systems that can't go to propulsion.



totoro said:
Hull talk about 093 always makes me wonder if we can be absolutely positively be certain it is in fact a true double hull design as it is usually described? Or is it some sort of a hybrid design or is there even a chance it is a single hull design. sadly, there doesn't seem to be a way to tell from the exterior look of the submarine alone, its shape, limber holes etc. Sail shape used is usually associated with single hulls but even that is, in the end, not necessarily proof. I guess the biggest indication (but not proof) it's double hulled is submarine's dimensions, width and length, coupled with the role and vintage. And i guess 9 meter diameter rings observed at submarine shipyard are another indication, but also inconclusive.
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If it has limber holes on the outer casing it's a double hull.
 
Scott Kenny said:
Remember that you also need to assume around 5-10MW for ship systems that can't go to propulsion.




If it has limber holes on the outer casing it's a double hull.
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But French and British subs also often have more or less prounced limber hole lines along their sides. And they are usually described as single hulls with upper floodable superstructure. (So i guess not pure single hull designs) By that logic how can one be sure that 093, for example, is also not a single hull design with a floodable superstrucutre, just by looking at the limber hole argument?
 

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