China COMAC C919

A piece of advice from long and painful experience with following Russian airliner international sales attempts (Il-96T, Tu-204-X20, SSJ100): Don't believe it until you see the aircraft in the livery. Never mind, don't believe it until actual entry into service...
I'm not saying that it is absolutely certain to happen but I can say from my experience that it usually tends to come true in China's case.

And I don't think there's a drop of relevance between how both countries' aviation companies manage their businesses.
 
Why would they buy Chinese when they have Embraer!
Because Embraer so far has refused to go into the Boeing 737/Airbus A320-size niche, unlike COMAC.

But I don't give this much credence, for now. I wouldn't be too surprised if, 10 years from now, a Brazilian aircraft buys Chinese, though.
 
The China cycle, providing China does not build a piece of crap, knock-off aircraft made from stolen foreign tech like a number of other things (electric cars, locomotives/trains, jeeps, etc). I do have to say one thing which is amazing, I bought a $600, 40-watt per channel Chinese tube stereo amplifier which is probably one of the best pieces of moderately priced audio equipment I had ever purchased, the build and sound quality are excellent, go figure.
 
https://aviationweek.com/air-transp...-out-comac-tariffs-loom-over-boeing-orderbook
Interesting outlook. It's a follow-up news to what has been being reported since around a month ago already. C919 EASA certification could come around late 2020s at earliest. Although it can't match 737 MAX range, it's enough to match Ryanair's current fleet of NGs. O'Leary is notorious for putting on a pressure/threat on Boeing whenever things go South at Boeing, and more so ever since the MAX debacle, but this time around his threats sound somewhat real. Moreso because COMAC is really around the corner. Without COMAC, I woukd have called it bluff since Airbus' backlog is extremely full and there's no real threat to Boeing of their order being replaced with 320 NEOs.

But when COMAC finally gets their EASA certification, I could see then offering a really lucrative package to Ryanair to secure a first big-name western operator, and better yet, takin them away from American poster child that is Boeing. Would be quite a humiliation.

Though in the same time we all know Ryanair's BM. There is a real low chance of them buying anything other than 737s , since it woukd mean a complete revamp of their aircraft operations. Maybe the Chinese coukd make their deal so lucrative that additional costs incured by operaring two types is still undercut by the discounts, but I'd think that woukd be highly unlikely.

Fun times...
 
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But when COMAC finally gets their EASA certification, I could see then offering a really lucrative package to Ryanair to secure a first big-name western operator, and better yet, takin them away from American poster child that is Boeing. Would be quite a humiliation.
by the late 2020s the C919 will be almost obsolete, add the fact it has american subsystems, this aircraft will need lots of orders, but not with subsidies by Chinese airliners owned by the Chinese government, technology in airliners can not go along without sales.

Not even Embraer can compete with Boeing, and they sell to companies all over the world without subsidies.

I recommend you this video
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9-BL87cR-c


consider that aircraft like DC-10, Dassault Mercure or L-1011 which people might think as successful in reality they were not
 
by the late 2020s the C919 will be almost obsolete, add the fact it has american subsystems, this aircraft will need lots of orders, but not with subsidies by Chinese airliners owned by the Chinese government, technology in airliners can not go along without sales.
That's why I'm talking about deal sweetners, as COMAC is government owned.

Not even Embraer can compete with Boeing, and they sell to companies all over the world without subsidies.
Weird comparison when they don't even compete in the same market segment.

I recommend you this video
There are already too many YT slops being posted on this website. It doesn't take a genius to know that Dassault Mercure or Lockheed Tristar were commerical failures.
 
That's why I'm talking about deal sweetners, as COMAC is government owned.


Weird comparison when they don't even compete in the same market segment.


There are already too many YT slops being posted on this website. It doesn't take a genius to know that Dassault Mercure or Lockheed Tristar were commerical failures.
Let me explain me better my point.


Civil aviation is totally different to military aviation in terms of profitability and safety.


top aircraft manufacturers usually outsource work to smaller companies.

Example Aernnova makes parts for other aircraft manufacturers.

Aernnova Selected As Overture Aircraft Wings Supplier​


https://www.aernnova.com/news/aernnova-selected-as-overture-aircraft-wings-supplier

So making a civilian aircraft is driven by profits, lower costs and safety.

But R&D is very high, so most nation that make aircraft will go for small projects or will become risk partners,

Spain for example only produces a few parts of the A-321
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not even France or England produce every thing, so that become politics, but in order to manufacture, few nations can build truly large aircraft.

So larger aircraft need lots of R&D partners, most nations will opt to buy foreign aircraft, not by lack of technology, since any company can buy subsystems, the problem is profits.


Where I was working I saw ATR-72 carrying only 5 passengers in few flights, tell me do you think they will recover the investment?


The reality no aircraft program can survive without profits, and profits are dependent upon politics in great part, Spain will prefer buy Airbus or even Boeing since Spanish companies make parts for both companies and their subsystems, Spain will not buy MS-21s since there is no industrial participation, So UAC has to depend in Russian carriers to buy their airplanes.
 
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Let me explain me better my point.


Civil aviation is totally different to military aviation in terms of profitability and safety.


top aircraft manufacturers usually outsource work to smaller companies.

Example Aernnova makes parts for other aircraft manufacturers.
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What are trying to say here? Ryanair is a VLCC, HQed in Ireland that operates in Europe. If politics was the main problem, and the fact that COMAC not being European is the problem, they would've transitioned to AB like Easyjet did. What you said makes zero sense. For Ryanair the only thing matters is economics. Also, no jeed to assume people don't know what you know. It is a well known fact a large number of COMAC aircraft components are manufactured in the west, especially by US suppliers. They are getting certified in EASA with relative ease as a result. Unless US suddenly decides to block aviation components shipment to China altogether all of the sudden, not a problem. And EU has way less problems dealing with the Chinese.
 
What are trying to say here? Ryanair is a VLCC, HQed in Ireland that operates in Europe. If politics was the main problem, and the fact that COMAC not being European is the problem, they would've transitioned to AB like Easyjet did. What you said makes zero sense. For Ryanair the only thing matters is economics. Also, no jeed to assume people don't know what you know. It is a well known fact a large number of COMAC aircraft components are manufactured in the west, especially by US suppliers. They are getting certified in EASA with relative ease as a result. Unless US suddenly decides to block aviation components shipment to China altogether all of the sudden, not a problem. And EU has way less problems dealing with the Chinese.
well to finalize I will just say, if C919 does not get private owners, a few aircraft sold will not make a difference.

C919 has Leap engine C which are downgraded engines I doubt if sanctions are applied that will make a difference, they need lots of sales, and they will get a certification for their aircraft when Airbus has much better aircraft, same will be in the USA.


Embraer has been able to enter markets because some of the owners are USA citizens, has plenty of western subsystems, Brazil will not be hostile to the USA or EU, but China has a trade war.

Good luck, but without sales all these C929 or C393 are dreams, the more years that pass, the more obsolete C919 becomes and as MS-21 the use of Chinese components means longer development and more money spent, so they need more sales, and buying aircraft is also a political alignment we like it or not aircraft business is also a protectionist market, there is not real free market.
 
well to finalize I will just say, if C919 does not get private owners, a few aircraft sold will not make a difference.

C919 has Leap engine C which are downgraded engines I doubt if sanctions are applied that will make a difference, they need lots of sales, and they will get a certification for their aircraft when Airbus has much better aircraft, same will be in the USA.


Embraer has been able to enter markets because some of the owners are USA citizens, has plenty of western subsystems, Brazil will not be hostile to the USA or EU, but China has a trade war.

Good luck, but without sales all these C929 or C393 are dreams, the more years that pass, the more obsolete C919 becomes and as MS-21 the use of Chinese components means longer development and more money spent, so they need more sales, and buying aircraft is also a political alignment we like it or not aircraft business is also a protectionist market, there is not real free market.
Mate, before throwing some gibberish, first read what is being discussed before your comment :

We are talking about Ryanair, who has no government ties. They are not a flag carrier, nor an airline situated in the US. It's a private VLCC HQed in Ireland, operating for short-haul European routes. Ireland has no significant industrial ties with the European and American aviation industries either.

COMAC is on their way to receive EASA type certification around 2030. I have been talking about potential deal sweetners that would counteract the losses incured by inefficient operations casued by operating C919, since COMAC is state owned.

COMAC is already selling tons of aircraft in China alone, because the domestic demand for those planes are huge. Also, EU is not as dumb as some people and are very much aware that Chinese airlines are their big customers. There's a reason EASA have signed a bilateral agreement with CAAC. Moreover, considering Airbus backlogs, there is currently no real chance of Ryanair transitioning to Airbus in the short- to mid-term.
 
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Mate, before throwing some gibberish, first read what is being discussed before your comment :

We are talking about Ryanair, who has no government ties. They are not a flag carrier, nor an airline situated in the US. It's a private VLCC HQed in Ireland, operating for short-haul European routes. Ireland has no significant industrial ties with the European and American aviation industries either.

COMAC is on their way to receive EASA type certification around 2030. I have been talking about potential deal sweetners that would counteract the losses incured by inefficient operations casued by operating C919, since COMAC is state owned.

COMAC is already selling tons of aircraft in China alone, because the domestic demand for those planes are huge. Also, EU is not as dumb as some people and are very much aware that Chinese airlines are their big customers. There's a reason EASA have signed a bilateral agreement with CAAC. Moreover, considering Airbus backlogs, there is currently no real chance of Ryanair transitioning to Airbus in the short- to mid-term.
i understand you.

My point is subsidies are not sales, C919 has fake sales, airliners owned by the Chinese government buy their C919.

Now China has plenty of money and similar to the Soviet Union they can buy C919s.

For an aircraft to be successful needs sales basically no subsidies, Airbus or Boeing have subsidies of course, but also have sales in countries where they have no subsidies, the more true sales they have the more success.


large aircraft like A-320 to A-350 or A-380 have very large R&D budgets, they spend lots of money, in aviation to sell real sweeteners are industrial cooperation.

Aernnova is a Spanish company making parts for many western programs, thus Spain is onboard Airbus or Boeing; for C919 to be successful will need western participation and same is MS-21, and that means be partially controlled by Boeing or Airbus that is the real world.

Russia and China do not want that.

Less developed countries do not have industrial cooperation as the main sweetener but politics and economics play a part in example Iran and Cuba buy Russian planes due to politics.


Currently politics play a part for Ryan air not to buy C919 the USA is opposed to that idea.
 
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according this Video
is C919 is copy of Airbus A320, that china bought but never flew it and dismantle for reverse engineering...

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=795yJ9ik4Ug
Can you at least check their channel before posting garbage. Every single video from these guys is a giant clickbait thumbnail with Anti-China propaganda.

Example: 1752255268512.png
Like what the hell is this garbage, how would they know this information? People on the internet love just making shit up and trying to pass it off as real news.
 
While I agree with sentiment on the video posted above, here is a quote from a 2023 article by the French National Public Radio :

https://www.radiofrance.fr/francein...economiques-du-jeudi-09-novembre-2023-5057822
An Airbus A320 is said to have disappeared from radar screens in China in the early 2000s, only to be completely dismantled. It is believed to have helped the Chinese build their own aircraft…
Until now, this anecdote — one has to admit — sounded somewhat like an industrial legend, without any real proof of its truth. Well, I can tell you this morning: the story is indeed true.

"At least one aircraft sold at that time to a Chinese airline was never officially registered," confirms to L’Usine Nouvelle a senior executive still active in the aerospace industry. In plain language, this means that the plane was indeed purchased by China and delivered there, but then vanished. It never flew.

“It undoubtedly helped the Chinese develop their own aircraft, the Comac,” according to several sources.

“It was dismantled in a hangar near Beijing,”
says Alain Juillet, Honorary President of the Academy of Economic Intelligence. “This allowed China to understand how Airbus had built its aircraft,” according to this former intelligence director at France’s foreign intelligence service (DGSE). It certainly helps explain the strong resemblance between the Comac C919 and an Airbus A320.
 
There are some vague reports saying that a fully domestically-made“ C919” will have its test flight in 2026.
 
As of May 27, 2026, the C919 has obtained the Type Certificate (TC) issued by the Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC), allowing it to operate commercially in China. It has not yet received airworthiness certification from the European Union Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) or the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), but EASA certification has entered the third stage (conformity demonstration), while FAA certification has not started substantial review yet.

Domestic Airworthiness Status: The C919 officially received the CAAC Type Certificate in September 2022 and was put into commercial operation by China Eastern Airlines in May 2023. As of May 2026, it has safely transported over 4 million passengers, the fleet has grown beyond 30 aircraft, operating routes have expanded to 46, and continuous airworthiness is supervised by a dedicated CAAC team.

EASA Certification Progress: Applied since 2019, accelerated after China and the EU signed a technical cooperation agreement in mid-2024. By the end of 2025, it entered the third stage of EASA’s four-stage certification (conformity demonstration). Since February 2026, EASA has had a permanent team in Shanghai for test flights and system verification, but no official certification timetable has been set, with industry estimates suggesting another 3–6 years (2028–2032). Shadow audits (EASA’s full monitoring of CAAC’s approval process) have not started, which is a key bottleneck.

FAA Certification Status: As of mid-2026, the FAA has not released any approval roadmap, sent a permanent team, nor begun test flights or shadow audits. Technical assessment remains limited to data submissions and initial exchanges, with political and market protection factors widely seen as the main causes for delay.

International Mutual Recognition and "Bypass" Strategy: China has signed bilateral airworthiness agreements or memorandums with 42 countries (including Belt and Road partners like Brunei, Vietnam, Laos, Malaysia, Indonesia). Among them, Brunei (2025) and Vietnam (2025) explicitly recognize the CAAC-issued C919 certificate for direct registration and operation. The C919 has flown abroad multiple times (e.g., test flights or relocation to Vietnam and Laos), but it has not been locally registered or commercially operated by foreign airlines. Lacking EASA/FAA endorsement, mainstream international markets (Europe, America, Australia/New Zealand, wealthy Middle East countries) still have entry barriers.

Future Key Milestones: If the EASA certification finishes the conformity demonstration, it will move to the fourth stage (final assessment and certificate issuance), but all technical requirements must be closed, including bird strike, icing, and electromagnetic compatibility. There is no short-term breakthrough expected for the FAA path. COMAC’s focus remains dual-track with EASA and emerging markets. The domestic CJ-1000A engine airworthiness certification (expected by 2026) will enhance autonomy and control but does not directly affect current CAAC or EASA C919 certification progress.

In short, the C919 has crossed the "ready to fly" domestic threshold and is now tackling the international "ready to sell" certification. The current airworthiness status is: CAAC certification secured, EASA certification in progress, FAA certification not started, and emerging market agreements paving the way.
 
I hear they plan some kind of a Chinese coming out festival for the new version - I believe it's called COMACON C919 or something like that...
 
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