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Awesome man. Thanks for the great contribution.
 

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Hi,


is that a real design to J-10 (stealth version) ?.


http://gaza-aircraft.blogspot.com/2009/03/china-develops-j-10-stealth-fighter.html
 

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Serial production has been reached already a high level (no. 143 - meaning the no. 43 airframe of lot 1) was spotted last week.

Also yesterday the first "ready for delivery" serials have been seen at Chengdu and even if blurred, the numbers seem to give a hint of the 170. Brigade assigned to the FTTC. The next unit is reportedly the 131. AR / 44. AD.
 

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http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?242447
 

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Yes indeed a tragic loss of a factory fresh J-10B but even more important the injured peoples on the ground should recover soon and the pilot survived. Quite interesting it was flown by Li Gang, the pilot who flew the J-20 during its maiden flight.

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Deino said:
Yes indeed a tragic loss of a factory fresh J-10B but even more important the injured peoples on the ground should recover soon and the pilot survived. Quite interesting it was flown by Li Gang, the pilot who flew the J-20 during its maiden flight.

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Are you sure? I remember you pointing to a picture of the spine antenna as a sign that it was a J-10B, but I looked at pictures of J-10S with the same spine antenna...
 

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Deino said:
Simply look at the small - nearly nimble - spine (more a cable duct than a spine) where the antenna in mounted !
I suppose. The S's spine is thicker huh?
 

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Yes exactly .. as such it can't be a twin-seater !
 

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I think here is another surprise :eek: ... if it is real then this would be a J-10C !

Even more since 101x = J-10A pre-serials, 102x = J-10S prototypes, 103x = J-10B prototypes, and now maybe 105x = J-10C prototype ... all what is missing is a 104x = maybe the J-10BS prototypes !! ???

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Forgive me Deino, but what exactly is a J-10C?
I haven't purchased your book (yet), but I sort of keep an eye on the J-10 programme.




I know the original A, the twin seater, and the B.


What does the C have that warrants a different model number?
 

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kaiserbill said:
Forgive me Deino, but what exactly is a J-10C?
I haven't purchased your book (yet), but I sort of keep an eye on the J-10 programme.

I know the original A, the twin seater, and the B.

What does the C have that warrants a different model number?
No need to apologies (even if I would highly welcome if You would buy one !).

Anyway there are some reports about another J-10B-based development called J-10C since some time (esp. after an aircraft numbered '201' appeared). To admit I was always a bit skeptical about this "C" even if most bloggers say it is in fact a "B" but featuring an AESA instead of the PESA radar in the "B".

What makes me now quite sure is the new serial, since so far 101x = J-10A pre-serials, 102x = J-10S prototypes, 103x = J-10B prototypes, and now maybe 105x = J-10C prototype ... all what is missing is a 104x = maybe the J-10BS prototypes !!

What new avionics are added is so far unknown.

Hope this helps a bit,
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Are those film crews?
Yes,. ... reportedly the were preparing a report on CAC !
 

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Does anybody know of any plans to eventually get a J-10 to the Paris or Farnborough airshows for flight demos? Would love to see them there.
 

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sferrin said:
Does anybody know of any plans to eventually get a J-10 to the Paris or Farnborough airshows for flight demos? Would love to see them there.

Hear, hear! Fingers crossed for this year, as after a hiatus of 10 years (Christ! It really has been that long!!!) I will be attending again :)
 

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Deino said:
kaiserbill said:
Forgive me Deino, but what exactly is a J-10C?
I haven't purchased your book (yet), but I sort of keep an eye on the J-10 programme.

I know the original A, the twin seater, and the B.

What does the C have that warrants a different model number?
No need to apologies (even if I would highly welcome if You would buy one !).

Anyway there are some reports about another J-10B-based development called J-10C since some time (esp. after an aircraft numbered '201' appeared). To admit I was always a bit skeptical about this "C" even if most bloggers say it is in fact a "B" but featuring an AESA instead of the PESA radar in the "B".

What makes me now quite sure is the new serial, since so far 101x = J-10A pre-serials, 102x = J-10S prototypes, 103x = J-10B prototypes, and now maybe 105x = J-10C prototype ... all what is missing is a 104x = maybe the J-10BS prototypes !!

What new avionics are added is so far unknown.

Hope this helps a bit,
Deino

Thanks for the explanation, Deino.


One other quick question....


Are there any indications of when the first batch of J-10's powered by the indigenous engine are likely to be on the scene?
I know it's a difficult one to answer, but surely this must be imminent?
One would also assume that if an avionics upgrade/change results in a different model number, then so would hardware changes like a new engine?
 

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kaiserbill said:
Thanks for the explanation, Deino.

One other quick question....

Are there any indications of when the first batch of J-10's powered by the indigenous engine are likely to be on the scene?
I know it's a difficult one to answer, but surely this must be imminent?
One would also assume that if an avionics upgrade/change results in a different model number, then so would hardware changes like a new engine?
To admit I don't know and if I had to bet what would be included in any serial J-10C I would have said an AESA and even more the WS-10B !
Now it seems to any unknown reason - even if there are many suggestions floating around - CAC and the PLAAF is quite happy with the AL-31FN and even more with the current series III. As such I really can't tell You anything in this regard, sorry.

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Hi,


here is an early artist drawing to J-10.
 

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PaulMM (Overscan) said:
Beautiful J-10B/C pics via http://www.china-defense.com/smf/index.php?topic=7232.140
Yes and even more since finally the WS-10B - some say even the uprated WS-10G - is used ... seems as if the second batch of J-10Bs are now WS-10-powered similar to the Batch 02 J-11Bs.

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For some reason the vertical stabilizer of the J-10 looks oversized for the aircraft. One would think for a FBW aircraft the Chinese could have made the vertices tail smaller.
 

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FBW cannot put air back into the fuselage wake at high angle of attack. Just look at the M346.
 

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What's up with the unpainted canopy frame? Did they just get new canopies?
 

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Sundog said:
What's up with the unpainted canopy frame? Did they just get new canopies?
Sorry, I only wanted to quote Your post:

Not really new, but it seems as if these latest WS-10-powered aircraft all have that unpainted but gold-coated canopies.
 

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Hi,

What was that Project 8810 ?, a real one ?.

http://alternathistory.org.ua/istrebitel-j-10-kitaiskii-drakon-s-rossiiskim-serdtsem
 

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Hi,

please note the rear landing gear shape for earlier J-10 Prototype.

http://defence.pk/threads/combat-aircraft-projects-designs-index-in-2nd-post.75408/page-58
 

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Machdiamond said:
FBW cannot put air back into the fuselage wake at high angle of attack. Just look at the M346.
Or the Tornado. :eek:
 

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hesham said:
Hi,

please note the rear landing gear shape for earlier J-10 Prototype.

http://defence.pk/threads/combat-aircraft-projects-designs-index-in-2nd-post.75408/page-58
This is not a J-10, not even an early version, prototype, but simply a baaaaad PS made from a J-8B.
 

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Deino said:
This is not a J-10, not even an early version, prototype, but simply a baaaaad PS made from a J-8B.
My dear Deino,

but they wrote on the picture 10 not 8.
 

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And i can write 500, doesnt make it J-500.

It is so painfully obvious to be a horrible horrible PS i am not even sure why you are posting it.
 

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And i can write 500, doesnt make it J-500.

It is so painfully obvious to be a horrible horrible PS i am not even sure why you are posting it.
If we look well to the first letter,it is very similar to letter "J" by Chinese language.
 

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hesham said:
flanker said:
And i can write 500, doesnt make it J-500.

It is so painfully obvious to be a horrible horrible PS i am not even sure why you are posting it.
If we look well to the first letter,it is very similar to letter "J" by Chinese language.
You are correct, the letter means Jian and as such J-10, but that does not make this truely crappy PS based on a J-8 a true J-10 !
 

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An 'official' photoshop from the early days of the program, perhaps?
 

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hesham said:
flanker said:
And i can write 500, doesnt make it J-500.

It is so painfully obvious to be a horrible horrible PS i am not even sure why you are posting it.
If we look well to the first letter,it is very similar to letter "J" by Chinese language.
Uh, what is that table for? It appears to be a bunch of random Chinese character and character components.
 
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