Bréguet Transport & Airliner Projects and Prototypes

[hesham]

The source for the Breguet Br.19 as Limousine aircraft;
http://www.hydroretro.net/etudegh/vers_les_sommets_breguet_1918-1939.pdf

By the way,the Br.30 twin fuselage transport aircraft project was
mentioned in a French magazine,but I don't remember its name now.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

here is a Breguet Gigantic airliner aircraft;

http://books.google.com.eg/books?id=wicDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA23&dq=gigantic+air-liner&hl=ar&ei=uc2lTLu5BoifOtv6iKkC&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CEYQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q&f=true

 

[Tophe]

The Br.30T twin-fuselage may be interesting to see. Alas I have not the Docavia #6 "Les avions Bréguet 1940-71" (see http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collection_Docavia )

 

[Tophe]

Hesham, in Personal Message I promised you I will check my Trait d'Union collection for the Bréguet part of Charles Claveau's articles "French aircraft 1919-45". In the alphabetical list alas, it was written "BRÉGUET: this subject is so big, we will make a special issue about this subject only". Alas the next issue I have was continuing the list, but... later, among the issues I have: issue #172 April-March 1997 "Louis Bréguet aircraft 1919-1945". This is very complete, I fear there is too many 3-view drawings to scan and post them all here. I am going to make a list at least, or I may send it to Hesham to enjoy a full month or two...
Below, I present the Br30T which is the same as the art above it seems:

 

[Tophe]

The 3-view drawings of projects in Trait d’Union #172 are Bréguet:
850 (28-engines, 200 passengers, twin-fuselage 1941)
(The Br 850 is featured in my book Forked Ghosts).

My book is free to download at http://cmeunier.chez-alice.fr/Free_EoFG_MV.htm but here is the 3-view from Trait d'Union #172:

 

[Johnbr]

I would hate to be a engine mechanic on it.

 

[Tophe]

The 3-view drawings of projects in Trait d’Union #172 are Bréguet:
1012 (2 double-engines, 1942)

Br 1012 with 4 engines as 2 tandems, then 2 double-engines:

 

[Caravellarella]

OMG Tophe, is this the Bréguet Capricorne? It's fabulous; I can't breathe at the thought

Terry (Caravellarella)

 

[Tophe]

The name Capricorne was for the Br.1011, civilian stratospheric, and then its name was changed to 1012 yes.

 

[Caravellarella]

The name Capricorne was for the Br.1011, civilian stratospheric, and then its name was changed to 1012 yes.

Fabulous Tophe; I've waited all my life to see a drawing of the Capricorne! It makes the Lockheed Constellation look like a piece of trash

Terry (Caravellarella)

 

[Jos Heyman]

........It makes the Lockheed Constellation look like a piece of trash.


Oops, that hurts deeply :-[

Otherwise, love the outrageous designs by Breguet. 28 engines for the 850! Could have been a transatlantic nightmare for the 200 pass.

 

[Caravellarella]

........It makes the Lockheed Constellation look like a piece of trash.

Oops, that hurts deeply :-[

Don't take it personally; it's just a figure of speech. The Constellation is hard to beat......

 

[toura]

My dear Tophe
Thanks for your interesting answer.
You give me details I don't know.
Thanks again. Bye

 

[Tophe]

The 3-view drawings of projects in Trait d’Union #172 are Bréguet:
401T (3-engine biplane 1930)

Rather different from the other ones:

 

[toura]

Breguet 40
Derived from the "all stell" technology of the Breguet 27 and
Breguet 39 t, the Breguet 401 t from 1930
is a big 3 engined plane of 7 tons weight with 16-20 passengers
for 1000 kms
"Les premiers appareils BREGUET"
Gerard Hartmann

 

[Tophe]

The 3-view drawings of projects in Trait d’Union #172 are Bréguet:
840 (4-engine airliner 1941-43)

Double deck long before the modern Airbus 380...

 

[Tophe]

Br.30T was twin fuselage and powered by eight Renault 550 hp engines,it look like
the Bleriot 125.

At last, the Br.30T did not look much like the Blériot 125, but I just found the patent for this Bl 125 of 1930/31:
http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/mosaics?CC=FR&NR=704078A&KC=A&FT=D&date=19310511&DB=EPODOC&locale=fr_fr

 

[toura]

Hi all
I read that the first Breguet 19 project was a twin engined plane
show at the "7eme fete aerienne de Paris" during november 1921
2 Bugatti four bladed propellers !? cancelled for a more conventional
project that we know...........
Do you know something about this project ??
http://www.worldlingo.com/ma/enwiki/fr/Breguet_19
Thanks for your comments
Bye

 

[Tophe]

From Trait d'Union #172 March-April 1997:
There were 2 parallel engines driving a common 4-blade propeller. Replaced by a single engine before the first flight.

 

[toura]

All my thanks my dear Tophe
And a good week end. Bye

 

[richard]

The Breguet 1011 Capricorne (by the well known french "scénariste de bandes dessinées" Jean Michel Charlier of "Buck Danny fame , among many other ...)
Source : Jean-Michel CHARLIER, scenariste BD - ALAIN ET CHRISTINE

It was not a project only : Amis Breguet 1940_à_1945

 

[hesham]

Great find my dear Richard.

 

[Jemiba]

It was not a project only ...

But the obviously jet powered derivative shown above the cut away certainly was. Any
more information about it ? Cannot see any mention of the propulsion in the description.

 

[Stargazer2006]

Big task of the day was to make some sense of the mess that was this and a few other pre-war Bréguet-related topics.

We now have separate topics for airliners/transports, combat types and flying boats.

As usual, only the types that are sufficiently documented/developed deserve their own thread (several loners were therefore merged into either of these three generic topics — until of course we get enough material to grant them separate status).

"Early" transport Bréguet aircraft topics are now as follows:

Landplanes:

• Bréguet transport and airliner projects and prototypes
• Prototypical French airliner designs (includes the Bréguet 500)
• Bréguet 760 transport project of 1936

Flying boats (both civilian and military):

• Bréguet flying boat projects and prototypes

And here are the topics about th other types which are neither combat nor transport:

Helicopters:

• Bréguet gyroplane projects and prototypes
• Very early French helicopters (includes some Bréguet)

Oddballs:

• Landes-Bréguet Monoplane Glider

Hope this helps!

 

[hesham]

Hi,


here is an artist drawing to Breguet Br.30T.

 

[hesham]

Hi,


here is from Les Ailes journal,just an idea for aircraft engines.

 

[hesham]

Hi,


in 1933,and in transport aircraft for Air France competition,Breguet submitted a proposal,but never built,I think it was Br.440 ?,but of course I am not sure.

 

[hesham]

From Le Fana 340;

- a Models for Breguet Br.500 and Br.1011

- a drawing to the patent of 1942,which led to develop Br.500

- 3-view drawing to Br.500

 

[hesham]

The 3-view drawings of projects in Trait d’Union #172 are Bréguet:
840 (4-engine airliner 1941-43)

Double deck long before the modern Airbus 380...

A clearer view to Br.840,from Les Avions Breguet.

 

[blackkite]

Hi! Breguet 670.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breguet_670
http://aviadejavu.ru/Site/Crafts/Craft34600.htm
https://www.edcoatescollection.com/ac5/ROW%20Europe/F-ANNT.html
http://www.pilote-virtuel.com/viewtopic.php?id=81104
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k65539032/f3.item.zoom

 

[hesham]

From Decollage 9/1946 and Les Avions Breguet,

here is a Breguet Br.1011 and Br.1012.

 

[GTX]

Very attractive aircraft

 

[hesham]

Very attractive aircraft

Thanks.

 

[hesham]

From L'Aeronautique 1922,

a strange aircraft Project,intended to build for Mr. Bregz by Henry Labourdette ?.

 

[gabrielorosco]

The 3-view drawings of projects in Trait d’Union #172 are Bréguet:
850 (28-engines, 200 passengers, twin-fuselage 1941)
(The Br 850 is featured in my book Forked Ghosts).

My book is free to download at http://cmeunier.chez-alice.fr/Free_EoFG_MV.htm but here is the 3-view from Trait d'Union #172:

Where passenger windows were meant to be located in the central section? I think on the wings trailing edge it was not possible, due to the engines.

 

[blackkite]

Hi!
Bréguet 20 Leviathan. Pilot position is impressive. Bad forward view.
The engine was the Breguet Bugatti 32A, which combined two U-24 engine. U-24 engine was a increased displacement U-16, 16 cylinders u shape(side by side inline 8 cylinder block) engine.

Breguet Br.XX Leviathan

On June 30, 1922 (although, according to some reports, it happened on June 20) for the first time took off a prototype passenger plane Breguet Br.XX Leviathan. This name it got for its size: the length of the fuselage - 15 meters, the wingspan - 25. The cabin could accommodate 20 passengers, which made "Leviathan" one of the most spacious airplanes of those times. The crew consisted of three people: two pilots and a mechanic.

Externally, the aircraft looked like a single-engine, however, its propulsion system consisted of two U-shaped eight-cylinder engines Breguet Bugatti 32A with a capacity of 450 horsepower, working through a total gearbox for one four-bladed propeller with a diameter of 4.4 meters.

The power unit was in the bow of the voluminous fuselage, and next to the working place of the mechanic, who could directly in flight to adjust and eliminate minor problems, for example, to change the burnt ignition candles. When one of the two engines was turned off, the aircraft could continue flying for some time, allowing the pilots to find a suitable landing pad.

In tests, the aircraft showed good flight data: the maximum speed was 190 km/h, cruising - 175, the flight range with a full load - 1600 km. However, there were no buyers for the plane. In the early 1920s, passenger air travel was still a wonder, wanting to fly long distances was quite a little, and therefore the owners of airlines considered the passenger capacity of "Leviathan" redundant. The most popular at that time were considered "airliners" for 6-10 passengers.

In addition, the plane because of its dural design turned out to be quite expensive, and its propulsion system caused fears of its unusualness.

Bréguet-Bugatti 32A and 32B Quadimoteurs

The Bréguet-Bugatti Quadimoteurs were named for their configuration of four essentially independent engines coupled together to create one powerful engine. The engines’ size and complexity limited …

oldmachinepress.com

 

[blackkite]

Bomber variant Brequet 21 with 32B engine.

Bréguet 20 Leviathan - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

32B engine.

Moteur Breguet Bugatti 32B - List'In MAE - Le site de Pyperpote sur le Musée de l'Air et de l'Espace

Moteur Breguet Bugatti 32B préservé au Musée de l'Air et de l'Espace du Bourget

www.pyperpote.tonsite.biz

 

[blackkite]

Breguet 22 transport with Bugatti U-16 engine.

Bréguet 20 Leviathan - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Breguet 22 — Wikipédia

fr.wikipedia.org

 

[hesham]

From Docavia book,

the Breguet Br.900.

 

[gabrielorosco]

The 3-view drawings of projects in Trait d’Union #172 are Bréguet:
850 (28-engines, 200 passengers, twin-fuselage 1941)
(The Br 850 is featured in my book Forked Ghosts).

My book is free to download at http://cmeunier.chez-alice.fr/Free_EoFG_MV.htm but here is the 3-view from Trait d'Union #172:

Where passenger windows were meant to be located?