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I think we all totally agree that's it's not a practical setting. It's not dangerous however.
 

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According to Blue Origin's lawsuit, the ladder is just a backup to a powered ascender anyway.

They probably have a point in that a passive backup is a good thing even though there's a slim chance you may fall and hit your head in 1/6th Earth gravity after a trip by rocket to the moon. It's difficult to imagine the forces you'd have to apply to a vertical ladder to fall on your head though in 32 feet though.
 
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According to Blue Origin's lawsuit, the ladder is just a backup to a powered ascender anyway.

They probably have a point in that a passive backup is a good thing even though there's a slim chance you may fall and hit your head in 1/6th Earth gravity after a trip by rocket to the moon.
That they had to deceptively edit their relative sizes suggests BO feels a bit. . .inadequate compared to SpaceX. ;)
 

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Blue Origin’s powerful BE-4 engine is more than four years late—here’s why​



Followed up with this interview of Tory Bruno from ULA:

 
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The BO infamous Infographic show effect
After defame Virgin Galactic and SpaceX

now in Forums, Facebook, Twitter and chats
People label Jeff Bezos only as "Bozo"...

Instant Karma, man.
 

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The BO infamous Infographic show effect
After defame Virgin Galactic and SpaceX

now in Forums, Facebook, Twitter and chats
People label Jeff Bezos only as "Bozo"...

Instant Karma, man.
I wonder how much he cares...
A lot. The whole thing is that he's trying to win a PR war against SpaceX after losing the battle for the Moon shot... And he's losing the PR battle too.
 

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Won't somebody think of the complexity!?

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Here’s the BBC report. This move smacks of desperation. Considering all the companies they are trying to work with do they really want to get the reputation as a toxic business partner. Also I feel sorry for the no doubt talented staff working at BO by this management move.

 

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Here’s why Blue Origin thinks it is justified in continuing to protest NASA

Blue Origin's actions in court—in addition to its ham-handed release of infographics that seek to denigrate SpaceX but have been widely mocked within the space community—are having a negative effect on both the company's relationships with the US government and its own employees.

"They will never get a real government contract after this," one NASA source predicted, following the lawsuit filing. The sentiment may be similar at the US Space Force, which is frustrated by delays in the delivery of BE-4 rocket engines for United Launch Alliance's Vulcan rocket.

These tactics have also alienated some of Blue Origin's work force. Several employees have told Ars that they are appalled by their corporate leadership's decision to attack both NASA and SpaceX in the wake of the lunar lander contract decision.
 

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There is a logic behind this madness,
Blue Origin fight for certain topics on HLS contract.
NASA wants expendable, later reuse landers last fit Starship, first the BO lander.

Little story in beginn of COTS program
in 2004 Kistler Aerospace got $227 million from NASA
A unknown company called Space Exploration Technologies Corp. sue NASA at Government Accountability Office
and they issued a ruling in support of...

...SpaceX

A very sharp and angry analyse on case
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv_2t5uEGaw
 

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There is a logic behind this madness,
Blue Origin fight for certain topics on HLS contract.
NASA wants expendable, later reuse landers last fit Starship, first the BO lander.

Little story in beginn of COTS program
in 2004 Kistler Aerospace got $227 million from NASA
A unknown company called Space Exploration Technologies Corp. sue NASA at Government Accountability Office
and they issued a ruling in support of...

...SpaceX

A very sharp and angry analyse on case
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv_2t5uEGaw
The cases are NOT identical though, the devil is in the details.
Kistler was awarded the contract with no competition and had clear NASA connections that made such an award look extremely suspicious. SpaceX was protesting for the right to compete for the contract. Blue Origin already had their chance to compete; they lost.

They lost definatively, and the GAO ruling is in fact pretty sharp... And is what the Federal Claims court will use to base a lot of it's ruling upon.

IOW, SpaceX sued because they wanted to be a contender.
BO WAS a contender, and is sueing because they lost.

The only things this will do is slow everything down, and make Blue Origin poison in the eyes of NASA. But I'm willing to bet that what it will NOT do is get BO the contract.

Edit: Also, damnit, that guy sounds so goddamn nasal and boring.
 
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Funnily enough, only 3 years later the same Kistler was kicked out of their COTS contract in favor of OSC Cygnus (one of the least known ISS support vehicles in the entire gang)
 

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One key difference between a bid protest at the COFC and a bid protest at the GAO is the requirement for the agency to produce the entire administrative record (i.e., all documents related to the procurement process) at the outset of the bid protest. The protestor then bears the burden of reviewing the record for completeness and requesting any supplementation of the record. Quite often limited discovery will be granted to a protestor to figure out whether the administrative record is truly complete. This is a significant advantage of filing a bid protest at the COFC versus the GAO because at the GAO the agency is only required to produce procurement documents that are relevant to the protester’s stated protest grounds. In recent years, agencies have interpreted this obligation very narrowly and produce only the minimum number of documents they believe are necessary. The GAO typically defers to the agency’s scope of “relevance” which can significantly affect the outcome of the protest. In contrast, at the COFC, the protester gets the entire administrative record which can provide the protester with the opportunity to mine the record for supplemental protest grounds that were not apparent when the initial protest was filed. The ability to identify supplemental protest grounds in a GAO protest is much more limited, especially if the protester does not properly plead its case at the onset.
 

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A lot of folks bag on SLS…but it continues because it is one thing Bezos hasn’t touched.

He has:

1.) Bought up talent only to sit on it
2.) Hobbled ULA old space with engine delays
3.) Hobbled new space with lawsuits
4.) Disgusted folks out of space employment by killing off passion…and
5.) Soiled spaceflight as a rich mans hobby where Musk democratized it by putting it into the hands of steelworkers.

Thereby hangs a tale: on the night of May 12, 2015, Amtrak 188 made for Philadelphia’s Frankford Junction—only to meet its end at 9:23 pm

At the helm…an individual who loved his job too much….one Brandon Bostian—-FRN.

The RN means “railway nut”. You don’t need me for the explanation of what “F” means.

He was on the cell phone with railway fans instead of checking his speed.

Bezos is the Brandon Bostian of Boosters.

And he has caused quite the derailment-hasn’t he?

With friends like you, Mr. Bezos…
 
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View: https://twitter.com/blueorigin/status/1428043689062912007


#NewShepard NS-17 is targeting liftoff on Aug 25. This operational payload mission will fly 20 payloads, including an @upliftaerospace installation by artist @AmoakoBoafo and reflight of @NASA lunar landing technology on the booster. More on the manifest: bit.ly/3k86ko6
View: https://twitter.com/blueorigin/status/1429866261148667908


New launch target for #NewShepard Mission NS-17 is Thursday, August 26 at 8:35 AM CDT / 13:35 UTC.
View: https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1429929083832438795


A Blue Origin spokesperson says the one-day delay is to “verify a fix on a payload integration issue and taking an extra look before we fly.”
 

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This Picture is from Site
Do you notice certain similarity with another Spaceflight Company operate in Texas ?
 

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