Area 51 Timeline

Dynoman said:
Unknown drone spotted around NTTR (11 years ago). Appears to be a three surface drone with strut bracing. Propulsion unit looks like two, possibly electric, motors driving propellers. The small wing area would result in high wing loading, leading me to think this is a relatively light airframe.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O17iZkliqZY
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...really?

From a Youtube UFO channel with plenty of other fake videos?
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Do we even have anything, besides the guy's word, to prove that the video comes from Groom Lake?
Or I can just make a funky drone with foam and a couple electric motors, fly it in my backyard with the camera pointed at the sky and claim that I've recorded a super secret drone flying out of Area 51?

This is the sources we are referencing and giving a platform to?
 
CiTrus90, Thank you! I did not look in to the source of the video. My mistake. I removed the content in light of the evidence from the source. The posts need to be grounded in the evidence available.
 
Dynoman said:
Aircraft /Area 51 First Flight
U-2 1955
A-12 1962
YF-12A 1963
M-21 1964
AQULINE 1965
YF-110B (MiG-21F-13) HAVE DOUGHNUT 1968
YF-113A (MiG-17F) HAVE DRILL 1969
YF-114C (MiG-17F) HAVE FERRY 1969
AQUILINE Mk.2 1970
YF-114D (MiG-17PF) HAVE GLIB 1972
YF-110B (MiG-21F-13) HAVE GLIB 1972
HAVE BLUE 1977
CONSTANT PEG 1977
SENIOR PROM 1978
YF-113E (MiG-23MS) HAVE PAD 1978
Su-22M HAVE UP 1978
SENIOR PEG Circa 1980
MiG-23ML HAVE LIGHTER 1980
MiG-23BN HAVE BOXER 1980
MiG-21MF HAVE COAT 1981
F-117A 1981
HAVE GLASS 1982
TACIT BLUE 1982
MiG-23UB HAVE FIREMAN 1983
HALSOL 1983
F.T. Birk Demonstrator 1983
Northrop "classified test bed" 1984
Lockheed "classified UAV" 1986
AGM-137 TSSAM 1990
YF-110E ?
YF-110L ?
YF-110M ?
YF-113H ?
YF-116A (MiG-29) HAVE LOAN 1991
YF-112C (Su-22M4) 1993
YF-112D (Su-22M4) 1993
Su-27P ?
Su-27UB ?
YF-113G 1995
Bird of Prey 1996
YF-24 Circa 1997
P-175 2005
RQ-170 2005
Stealth Helicopter Circa 2010
RQ-180 2010
YF-220 ?
X-273 ?
YF-45D 2018 - 2021?
NGAD Demonstrator 2020

Any evidence of the SENIOR PEG demonstrator having flown? A photo of the demonstrator (either real or mockup) has circulated extensively.
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If youre including NGAD demonstrator you could include the NGAD technology demonstrator that Secretary Frank Kendall acknowledged not too long ago, if it makes sense to include it on the list.
 
Dynoman said:
There was supposed to be an aircraft that was designed to work in conjunction with TACIT BLUE. That aircraft companion aircraft, I believe, was the Northrop AP-2 Shark. However, I don't believe there is any evidence to suggest that it ever flew.
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? TACIT BLUE was basically JSTARS but in a stealthy package to fly behind the front lines of battles, deep in the AA umbrellas.

It would then send the radar data out to other planes to engage the targets. Part of Assault Breaker, IIRC.

No dedicated companion aircraft.

As a side note, I strongly suspect that there will be a drone version of TACIT BLUE flying around to support 6th gen aircraft.


FighterJock said:
Sounds like Lockheed were planning on doing something like Project Suntan which used liquid hydrogen as its fuel and that also got cancled for exactly the same reasons as the classified aircraft. Quite why they would do something that used dangerous chemicals or fuels is beyond me.
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You probably don't want to read the MSDS for the epoxy resins used in composite manufacturing, then.

Nasty chemicals is basically the price you pay for composites. (Hello, Methyl Ethyl Ketone and MEK Peroxide...)

As to fuels, sometimes you need the nasty chemicals to get the performance required. Rocket fuels in particular are known to be nasty. Even plain hydrogen is a deep cryogen and has some of the widest explosive limits known to man. Plus the stuff will migrate straight through solid steel...



Ninja said:
I need to stop thinking that every craft flown at Groom Lake is a super-cool, super-secret stealth plane.
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I dunno, I think a plane designed to fly for months is pretty cool.
 
FighterJock said:
If that is the case then why the secrecy around the YF-24? Being a captured foreign fighter just does not add up Ninja, so why has it not been revealed by now?
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I don’t think that if the YF-24 turns out to be a foreign airframe that that’s in itself the reason to keep it secret. Why would they? I’m pretty sure the former owners know exactly where it ended up.

I think the main reason they would want to keep such an airframe secret is because of how they got hold of the airframe, and need to protect those who were involved in it’s capture. This is especially true if the USA got their hands on the plane by illegal means - i.e. stealing it.

If the above is true it there would be even more reason to keep it buried deep if the government who previously owned it is still in power. Most of the Russians FME programs were declassified fairly quickly after the USSR broke up - there was nobody left to object and complain.

The USA might have gotten it’s hands on some FME and it’s previous owners are still very angry about their loss.

Yes, I’m looking at you, China.
 
So the YF-24 could well be a FME instead of a brand new cutting edge fighter that I was thinking of.
 
publiusr said:
Well now…

The true believers hate it
www.coasttocoastam.com

Area 51 Cover Story Raises More Questions than Answers | Coast to Coast AM

Is the government's story of a cover-up just a bigger cover-up of something more mysterious?
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I want a refund on the sculpey of mine they used on the saucer…fork it over.

And those were MY greebles!
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Can we please get rid of these kind of replies? 3 paragraphs without any foundation and just a link to a facebook page?
 
Recently, while listening to an interview with test pilot James E. "JB" Brown (6513th TS, Lockheed, NTPS), he said that he had an upcoming assignment to fly a classified aircraft when he went to interview with Lockheed's Dave Ferguson (interview occurred circa 1989-1990). Brown said that they chatted over the fact that Ferguson had already flown the classified aircraft that Brown was assigned to fly and he gave him pointers on how to fly the aircraft.

Ferguson had been a civilian test pilot for 10 years by the time of the interview (retired from the AF's 6513th TS and went to work for Lockheed in 1979), which may mean that the classified aircraft flown in circa 1989 was likely a Lockheed product Ferguson flight tested and delivered to the AF for further evaluation. @Whisperstream - Are you familiar with any rumored Lockheed concepts that might have flown in 1988-89 time period? Looking back at the time lines for Area 51 you had posted a Lockheed "UAV" which flew in 1986 and there was another two aircraft flown about the same time, Birk's YF-113G and a Northrop "Classified Testbed" flown in 1984. Is there a possibility the Lockheed UAV was manned or optionally manned (any ideas on the size of the UAV)?

The only projects that was indicated by Lockheed (that occurred prior to the Brown interview) occurred in late 1984. One of the other two after 1990 I am assuming is QUARTZ.

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After further searching it appears the classified 1986 Lockheed UAV may have been a demonstrator for AARS/QUARTZ, which crashed in 1986 and had the same planform as the X-56.
 
Aircraft /Area 51 First Flight
U-2 1955
A-12 1962
YF-12A 1963
M-21 1964
YF-110B (MiG-21F-13) HAVE DOUGHNUT 1968
YF-113A (MiG-17F) HAVE DRILL 1969
YF-114C (MiG-17F) HAVE FERRY 1969
YF-114D (MiG-17PF) HAVE GLIB 1972
YF-110B (MiG-21F-13) HAVE GLIB 1972
HAVE BLUE 1977
CONSTANT PEG 1977
YF-113E (MiG-23MS) HAVE PAD 1978
Su-22M HAVE UP 1978
SENIOR PROM 1979
HAVE KEY (General Dynamics Model 100) circa 1980?
DARPA Funded Stealth X-Wing Helicopter (source: AW&ST, Sikorsky Online Archives) circa 1980?
MiG-23ML HAVE LIGHTER 1980
MiG-23BN HAVE BOXER 1980
MiG-21MF HAVE COAT 1981
F-117A 1981
HAVE GLASS 1982
TACIT BLUE 1982
MiG-23UB HAVE FIREMAN 1983
HALSOL 1983
F.T. Birk Demonstrator 1983
Northrop "classified test bed" 1984
Lockheed "classified UAV" (AARS/QUARTZ?)1986
Lockheed Classified Aircraft (Flown by J. Brown and D. Ferguson) circa 1990
AGM-137 TSSAM 1990
YF-110E ?
YF-110L ?
YF-110M ?
YF-113H ?
YF-116A (MiG-29) HAVE LOAN 1991
YF-112C (Su-22M4) 1993
YF-112D (Su-22M4) 1993
Su-27P ?
Su-27UB ?
YF-113G 1995
Bird of Prey 1996
YF-24 Circa 1997
P-175 2005
RQ-170 2005
Stealth Helicopter Circa 2010
RQ-180 2010
YF-220 ? (Possibly NGAD designation)
X-273 ? (Possibly affiliated with NGAD development)
YF-45D 2018 - 2021?
Boeing NGAD Demonstrator 2019
Lockheed NGAD Demonstrator 2022

An updated list of Area 51 experimental aircraft. Also, Peter Merlin, author of Dreamland, will be available online for Part 2 of a discussion about Area 51 and the projects flown there. September 19th, 2025 on Youtube at 5pm PDT, found here:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uosjDwKCmU
 
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Dynoman said:
Aircraft /Area 51 First Flight
U-2 1955
A-12 1962
YF-12A 1963
M-21 1964
YF-110B (MiG-21F-13) HAVE DOUGHNUT 1968
YF-113A (MiG-17F) HAVE DRILL 1969
YF-114C (MiG-17F) HAVE FERRY 1969
YF-114D (MiG-17PF) HAVE GLIB 1972
YF-110B (MiG-21F-13) HAVE GLIB 1972
HAVE BLUE 1977
CONSTANT PEG 1977
SENIOR PROM 1979
YF-113E (MiG-23MS) HAVE PAD 1978
Su-22M HAVE UP 1978
MiG-23ML HAVE LIGHTER 1980
MiG-23BN HAVE BOXER 1980
MiG-21MF HAVE COAT 1981
F-117A 1981
HAVE GLASS 1982
TACIT BLUE 1982
MiG-23UB HAVE FIREMAN 1983
HALSOL 1983
F.T. Birk Demonstrator 1983
Northrop "classified test bed" 1984
Lockheed "classified UAV" (AARS/QUARTZ?)1986
Lockheed Classified Aircraft circa 1990 (Flown by J. Brown and D. Ferguson)
AGM-137 TSSAM 1990
YF-110E ?
YF-110L ?
YF-110M ?
YF-113H ?
YF-116A (MiG-29) HAVE LOAN 1991
YF-112C (Su-22M4) 1993
YF-112D (Su-22M4) 1993
Su-27P ?
Su-27UB ?
YF-113G 1995
Bird of Prey 1996
YF-24 Circa 1997
P-175 2005
RQ-170 2005
Stealth Helicopter Circa 2010
RQ-180 2010
YF-220 ? (Possibly NGAD designation)
X-273 ? (Possibly affiliated with NGAD development)
YF-45D 2018 - 2021?
Boeing NGAD Demonstrator 2019
Lockheed NGAD Demonstrator 2022

An updated list of Area 51 experimental aircraft. Also, Peter Merlin, author of Dreamland, will be available online for Part 2 of a discussion about Area 51 and the projects flown there. September 19th, 2025 on Youtube at 5pm PDT, found here:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uosjDwKCmU
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Senior peg?
 
Should the NGAD prototypes that Darpa acknowledged not too long ago be included?

Now I'm definitely going into rumor territory, but Sneaky Pete/Have Key was rumoured to have flown (info can be found in it's own thread here). Also, there's mentions of a Stealth X-Wing Helicopter having been flown in the 1990s.
 
My guess is that Area 51 is more worker friendly--better A/C, better automat canteens, etc.
 
Now if I were Trump (*shudder* the thought) I would fly into Area 51 on an unannounced Air Force One jaunt with a full real time reporting press corps for a Surprise Inspection, including all the supposedly hyper duper secret aerospace frames on the premises. A man can dream...
 
martinbayer said:
Now if I were Trump (*shudder* the thought) I would fly into Area 51 on an unannounced Air Force One jaunt with a full real time reporting press corps for a Surprise Inspection, including all the supposedly hyper duper secret aerospace frames on the premises. A man can dream...
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The way security access works, it wouldn't be a surprise visit. Letter saying who is coming has to travel separately from the visitors.
 
Scott Kenny said:
The way security access works, it wouldn't be a surprise visit. Letter saying who is coming has to travel separately from the visitors.
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I would surmise that Presidential Privilege as being the Commander-in-Chief of the U.S. Armed Forces would override any existing bureaucratic protocols, if Trump *really* wanted to. He is not *exactly* known to slavishly adhere to staid established conventional procedures, you know...
 
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martinbayer said:
I would surmise that Presidential Privilege as being the Commander-in-Chief of the U.S. Armed Forces would override any existing bureaucratic protocols, if Trump *really* wanted to. He is not *exactly* known to slavishly adhere to staid established procedures, you know...
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That is a very good way to get himself shot.

The way I was briefed for standing watch, it doesn't matter if God Himself appeared before you in all His glory. If they're not on the list they do not get in. If they continue to try to get in without being in the list you start your escalation of force, which ends with, "If you continue attempting to get past me I will shoot you."
 
Scott Kenny said:
That is a very good way to get himself shot.

The way I was briefed for standing watch, it doesn't matter if God Himself appeared before you in all His glory. If they're not on the list they do not get in. If they continue to try to get in without being in the list you start your escalation of force, which ends with, "If you continue attempting to get past me I will shoot you."
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Dude, honestly, I do not comprehend your line of argumentation. You appear to surmise that there are random snipers 24/365 out there in the West Coast deserts just patiently waiting for the ***very*** off chance of POTUS making a chance visit to Area 51? Are you perhaps partaking in any substances that may or may not be legal in the proud State of California, let alone elsewhere in the USA? But your *apparent* insinuation of *potentially* targeting POTUS on a *SURPRISE* visit just because he's "not on the list" (Dude, you *seriously* should know and recognize what your very own President looks like!!!) sounds *thoroughly* disturbing - perhaps I should alert the Secret Service to your message above...
 
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martinbayer said:
Dude, honestly, I do not comprehend your line of argumentation. You appear to surmise that there are random snipers 24/365 out there in the West Coast deserts just patiently waiting for the ***very*** off chance of POTUS making a chance visit to Area 51? Are you perhaps partaking in any substances that may or may not be legal in the proud State of California, let alone elsewhere in the USA? But your *apparent* insinuation of *potentially* targeting POTUS on a *SURPRISE* visit just because he's "not on the list" (Dude, you *seriously* should know and recognize what your very own President looks like!!!) sounds *thoroughly* disturbing - perhaps I should alert the Secret Service to your message above...
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This is very off topic.
 
Ninja said:
This is very off topic.
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Agreed ! And those dreams can easily provoke nightmares for others, so perhaps we should stay with the aircraft there, just to ensure sleeping tight for all of us !
 

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