American Secret Projects OUT NOW!

[sferrin]

Just a quick question. Just received my copy of American Secret Projects. I've not had chance to read it properly yet but I've noticed on some of the tables at the end of each chapter the aircraft speeds are listed as supersonic and high supersonic.

What are the equivalent Mach numbers. Is it say supersonic is up to Mach 2 and high supersonic over.

Regards

Still waiting on mine. I can't even get Ian Allen to respond to if the thing has shipped or even when it might. :'(

 

[Merv_P]

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Is there any degree of frustration amongst those who've read it that it stops at 1978?

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I got my copy today - my concern was unfounded. There's a wealth of detail and information here. As a side issue, it looks as though the book solves the "who copied who" issue regarding the A5/Mig-25/F-15 designs. It's simple - everyone copied the WS.300A. :

 

[Overkiller]

My copy finally arrived yesterday

Excellent book, some good ideas for future build projects.

cheers

O.K.

 

[starviking]

I asked the status of my order to Ian Allan and the reply was; "The book American secret projects has been published but we had 245 people waiting for this book and the publishers did not send us enough copies of the book so we are waiting for some more to be sent to us. As soon as more copies have been sent we will send it to you straight away."
It seems that I have to wait some time to get the book here in Japan.

The place: Northern Japan.
The time: yesterday.
The event: delivery of American Secret Projects!

Amazon.co.jp have finally come through! Have you gotten yours yet EEP1A?

Starviking

 

[EEP1A]

The place: Northern Japan.
The time: yesterday.
The event: delivery of American Secret Projects!

Amazon.co.jp have finally come through! Have you gotten yours yet EEP1A?

Starviking

Dear Starviking,

I ordered the book on 10th of October directly to Ian Allan, and still waiting!!

But I was informed that "it was sent to you on 28/11/07 and it was sent via economy air so should be with you soon".

BTW, is there any rendering (not the three view) of McDonnell Douglas VFX proposal in the book?

Cheers,

EEP1A

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

Yes there is. I can get you more details tonight, but theres a high quality colour copy of the picture you posted plus I think some manufacturer model pics.

 

[starviking]

The place: Northern Japan.
The time: yesterday.
The event: delivery of American Secret Projects!

Amazon.co.jp have finally come through! Have you gotten yours yet EEP1A?

Starviking

Dear Starviking,

I ordered the book on 10th of October directly to Ian Allan, and still waiting!!

But I was informed that "it was sent to you on 28/11/07 and it was sent via economy air so should be with you soon".

BTW, is there any rendering (not the three view) of McDonnell Douglas VFX proposal in the book?

Cheers,

EEP1A

Of the McDD Model 225 there is a 3-view, 3 pictures of a model, and a picture of the submission artwork. I hope that helps.

Good luck with your economy air parcel!

Starviking

 

[EEP1A]

Of the McDD Model 225 there is a 3-view, 3 pictures of a model, and a picture of the submission artwork. I hope that helps.
Good luck with your economy air parcel!
Starviking

Thank you Starviking.
I am looking forward to see those pictures soon.

Cheers,

EEP1A

 

[EEP1A]

Yes there is. I can get you more details tonight, but theres a high quality colour copy of the picture you posted plus I think some manufacturer model pics.

Hi overscan,

The picture I posted as MDD 225 was taken from Japanese magazine AIREVIEW March 1969, but erroneously captioned "winning design of F-14A by Grumman".
On the next issue, the mock up photos of the real Grumman design was published but still saying that "the rendering of the last month issue was one of the designs studied by Grumman but the mock up shows the final design."
Cheers,

EEP1A

 

[nugo]

Hi.

What projects are shown for the program WS-300A ?

 

[Skybolt]

Vought V-382 and NA-237, or at least a project that could be the NA-237 FBX/WS-300A submission. The NA project was illustrated in the alternate cover of the book posted here in a previous post. To add a general note on the book, Tony at time seems being overwhelmed by the task he chose but he have to be praised for starting to lay down the foundations for a work that can go on for years to come...

 

[EEP1A]

Finally　got my copy today!
So many designs that I have never seen. Incredible effort by Tony Buttler.
Thank you so much.
The only source of dissatisfaction is the cover art. I like the early North American design for WS202A shown as models on page 96 of the book, but the cover art failed to represent that design.

>theres a high quality colour copy of the picture you posted
If you look closely, you will find some difference between the picture I posted and the one in the book. For example the frame of the canopy.
I think mine is the earlier version.

Cheers,

EEP1A

 

[nugo]

Hi.

What projects are shown from Douglas and Republic ?
If it is possible show us contents.

 

[nugo]

Hallo pometablava.

For mine the salary the price of the book is not so small. If it is possible show to me list of all projects and if that will be very interesting to me I shall collect money for the book.

 

[Antonio]

For mine the salary the price of the book is not so small.

You're right, I'm sorry. Don't worry, I'll post the project list as soon as possible.

Regards,
Antonio

 

[nugo]

Hi pometablava!

Please post the project list.

 

[Antonio]

Here it is

 

[nugo]

Hi pometablava!

Thank You Very Much!!!

 

[nugo]

Hi All!

See---US Patent 2,920,842
It on mine Martin Model 302 or 308 or 314 LRI proposal.

 

[nugo]

Hi All!

I got this very good book.

I want to say a few comments in the book are not written:

1) USN has announced a competition to design high-speed fighter escort with long-range flight. McDonnell, do in his time first place in competition at the USN jet interceptor, is involved in the new competition.

This information from: Aviation Week,1949, Vol.50, No.4, 24/I, page ?.

This competition is a OS-112.

Nothing to say on the participation of McDonnell in this competition.

2) " There was only one award for the interceptor competition and it is not known for certain who the other competitors had been, although Bell, Boeing, and possibly Lockheed are thought to have participated. A paper by Bell Aircraft personnel in the time period was published in the Journal of the Aeronautical Sciences, comparing propeller and reaction propulsion performance. Two of the fighter examples included a "weaponized" version of the X-1 and a ram jet propelled aircraft, both fitting the requirements of the competition. Both of these examples utilized straight wings. Internal CVAC status reports confirm that Bell was a competitor but had proposed a rocket-powered design with a 45-degree delta wing. boeing was known to have also conducted design studies in the same time period also loo-
king at a ramjet and a rocket powered interceptor. Their Model 257 Interceptor fighter was powered by two wing tip ram jets and had a gross weight of 8500 lbs. It had a wing sweep of 45 degrees and used a bicycle arranged landing gear. Apparently no information survives on their rocket-powered interceptor, thought to be Model 258."

source: The Birth of the Delta Wing: Robert E. Bradley;
AAHS Journal, Winter 2003, Vol.48, No.4.

Certainly a typo: Model 257--to beat Model 457
Model 258--to beat Model 458

The book said about Model 457, but nothing on Model 458.

(This source is written in the book)

That can be said about the information?

P.S. ...still it is a very good book!!!

 

[Tailspin Turtle]

1) USN has announced a competition to design high-speed fighter escort with long-range flight. McDonnell, do in his time first place in competition at the USN jet interceptor, is involved in the new competition.

This information from: Aviation Week,1949, Vol.50, No.4, 24/I, page ?.

This competition is a OS-112.

Nothing to say on the participation of McDonnell in this competition.

My impression is that Grumman "won" this competition, if there were other formal submittals, with the XF10F, which was already in work as a follow-on to a study of a swept-wing derivative of the F9F-2.

2) " There was only one award for the interceptor competition and it is not known for certain who the other competitors had been, although Bell, Boeing, and possibly Lockheed are thought to have participated.

All of the Navy's fighter suppliers bid on the competition but I'm not certain that I have a complete list. Vought and Grumman bid variations on their existing fighter projects, the F7U-1 and the XF10F, respectively. Since Douglas already had a contract for what became the F4D, McDonnell "won" the competition for second place with its Model 58.