American Aircraft Corp. (Aerocraft) Patriot aka 'Unidentified Russian tilt-rotor' at Russell Military Museum

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It's baaaaaaaaaack. I think it all started back in 2008

 

[F.L.]

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It's interesting to note how its cockpit and tail turret look like they came from a Mi-24.


Otherwise, are there any kind of plans of it ?

 

[Orionblamblam]

FYI; I have once again made an interlibrary loan request for the proposal. I did that before with no success, but maybe it'll go better. If not, my next step will be to inquire abut the library scanning/photocopying/even friggen cell phone photoing the thing...

 

[F.L.]

It's interesting to see that on the second picture, the Tilt-Rotor has small Mi-24 style wings with carry points like on the Miche Van drawing.

 

[Orionblamblam]

FYI; I have once again made an interlibrary loan request for the proposal. I did that before with no success, but maybe it'll go better. If not, my next step will be to inquire abut the library scanning/photocopying/even friggen cell phone photoing the thing...

Well, crap, heard back from the library:
"You recently placed interlibrary loan requests for two items, both dealing with VTOL aircraft. I've located an available copy of each, but the lending library requires a $22 fee each in order to loan them to us. Unfortunately, this is the only library that's able to supply these items. If you're still interested and willing to pay $44 for these items, please let me know."

Anyone interested in helping crowdfund this? As usual, full-rez scans...

 

[F.L.]

FYI; I have once again made an interlibrary loan request for the proposal. I did that before with no success, but maybe it'll go better. If not, my next step will be to inquire abut the library scanning/photocopying/even friggen cell phone photoing the thing...

Well, crap, heard back from the library:
"You recently placed interlibrary loan requests for two items, both dealing with VTOL aircraft. I've located an available copy of each, but the lending library requires a $22 fee each in order to loan them to us. Unfortunately, this is the only library that's able to supply these items. If you're still interested and willing to pay $44 for these items, please let me know."

Anyone interested in helping crowdfund this? As usual, full-rez scans...

Excuse my ignorance, but I did not now what these documents consist of, and I would be potentially interested.

 

[F.L.]

A small resemblance, isn't it ?

 

[Orionblamblam]

FYI; I have once again made an interlibrary loan request for the proposal. I did that before with no success, but maybe it'll go better. If not, my next step will be to inquire abut the library scanning/photocopying/even friggen cell phone photoing the thing...

Well, crap, heard back from the library:
"You recently placed interlibrary loan requests for two items, both dealing with VTOL aircraft. I've located an available copy of each, but the lending library requires a $22 fee each in order to loan them to us. Unfortunately, this is the only library that's able to supply these items. If you're still interested and willing to pay $44 for these items, please let me know."

Anyone interested in helping crowdfund this? As usual, full-rez scans...

Excuse my ignorance, but I did not now what these documents consist of, and I would be potentially interested.

1: The Patriot tilt-prop VTOL aircraft MP-36 ACAF assault escort : unsolicited proposal for the United States Marine Corps : draft RFP VMAO aircraft, 1 volume : illustrations ; 28 cm, "September 20, 1990."

2: American Aircraft Corporation Patriot, a VTOL tilt-prop aircraft, 1 volume : illustrations ; 28 cm, "June 19, 1990."

No idea of what these are, exactly. "Proposal" can be quite variable... might be a 4-page brochure, could be 300 pages.

 

[Dynoman]

Both are written by William F. Moody, an MIT graduate in the 1950s who was president of AAC and who is connected to the Phalanx Dragon and Phalanx Falcon designs.

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/aac-phalanx-vtol-projects.234/

https://www.reddit.com/r/WeirdWings/comments/sx4rf8

View: https://www.reddit.com/r/WeirdWings/comments/sx4rf8/more_phalanx_dragon_stuff/

 

[jstar]

It's interesting to see that on the second picture, the Tilt-Rotor has small Mi-24 style wings with carry points like on the Miche Van drawing.
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I think that's because the drawings are based on the pictures of the object on the truck.

 

[F.L.]

It's interesting to see that on the second picture, the Tilt-Rotor has small Mi-24 style wings with carry points like on the Miche Van drawing.
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I think that's because the drawings are based on the pictures of the object on the truck.

Of course, and this is what is astonishing, because if the object on the trailer is so similar to the drawings, it means that the "aircraft " had various configurations : tilt-rotor & helicopter.

 

[Orionblamblam]

It's interesting to see that on the second picture, the Tilt-Rotor has small Mi-24 style wings with carry points like on the Miche Van drawing.
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I think that's because the drawings are based on the pictures of the object on the truck.

Of course, and this is what is astonishing, because if the object on the trailer is so similar to the drawings, it means that the "aircraft " had various configurations : tilt-rotor & helicopter.

Incorrect... the "object" on the truck is merely the same mockup, disassembled for transport. The rotors you see are the rotors of the helicopter *behind* the mockup.

The stub-wings with ordnance pylons appear to be meant for the Hind shown next to the mockup in a photo in reply #8 in this thread. Looks like several things were moved at the same time.

 

[F.L.]

It's interesting to see that on the second picture, the Tilt-Rotor has small Mi-24 style wings with carry points like on the Miche Van drawing.
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I think that's because the drawings are based on the pictures of the object on the truck.

Of course, and this is what is astonishing, because if the object on the trailer is so similar to the drawings, it means that the "aircraft " had various configurations : tilt-rotor & helicopter.

Incorrect... the "object" on the truck is merely the same mockup, disassembled for transport. The rotors you see are the rotors of the helicopter *behind* the mockup.

The stub-wings with ordnance pylons appear to be meant for the Hind shown next to the mockup in a photo in reply #8 in this thread. Looks like several things were moved at the same time.

What strikes me the most is not the rotor, but the little wings with points that I circled in red. They do not appear on the usual mockup.

 

[Orionblamblam]

The stub-wings with ordnance pylons appear to be meant for the Hind shown next to the mockup in a photo in reply #8 in this thread. Looks like several things were moved at the same time.

What strikes me the most is not the rotor, but the little wings with points that I circled in red. They do not appear on the usual mockup.

See bold.

 

[F.L.]

The stub-wings with ordnance pylons appear to be meant for the Hind shown next to the mockup in a photo in reply #8 in this thread. Looks like several things were moved at the same time.

What strikes me the most is not the rotor, but the little wings with points that I circled in red. They do not appear on the usual mockup.

See bold.

Ok, well seen ! That's probably where the confusion comes from.

 

[F.L.]

Everything fits well with the Hind. It seems to me that even the painting is similar.

 

[Orionblamblam]

Everything fits well with the Hind. It seems to me that even the painting is similar.

Yups. Note the square-ish endplates. Also, I suspect the tiltrotor straddled the Hinds main rotors on the flatbed.

 

[Orionblamblam]

FYI, just recieved notification that the interlibrary loan for the two documents is underway. Anyone interested, PM me.

 

[Easy8]

FYI, just recieved notification that the interlibrary loan for the two documents is underway. Anyone interested, PM me.

Everything fits well with the Hind. It seems to me that even the painting is similar.

Yups. Note the square-ish endplates. Also, I suspect the tiltrotor straddled the Hinds main rotors on the flatbed.

Spot on, those are the main rotor blades and stub wings from the Hind. I disassembled and shipped both back to the Russell Military Museum about 15? years ago. As posted previously it is the AAC mockup. AAC made the air show circuit sometime in the late 80's or 90's in an attempt to drum up interest. The mock-up was painted black at that time. I had a visitor to the museum send me a picture of it he took at Sun n Fun, this was the first time we learned of it origin. How it made its way from AAC to the ranch/museum in Austin is unknown to me. In Austin, actually Liberty Hill, TX, it was parked in a hanger with the Hind now at the museum and a Mig-21. We assumed it was painted in Texas to match the Russian aircraft it was hangered with. We were told the ranch and hanger were owned by a Japanese man who retired back to Japan and auctioned off what he did not take back with him. Since we dealt with a proxy after the sale, we did not get a lot of information when we purchased both aircraft. Recently we learned the Hind was probably captured during the Contra conflict and returned to the States to be flown by the military to understand its abilities and limitations. It's was flown u til they ran out of spare parts sold off to the public. I had the privilege to fly in a Hind a few years ago with a pilot who was part of the Apache test program and was transfered to Hinds after their capture.

Hope this adds to your forum!
-Kyle

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

FYI, just recieved notification that the interlibrary loan for the two documents is underway. Anyone interested, PM me.

I'll contribute

FYI, just recieved notification that the interlibrary loan for the two documents is underway. Anyone interested, PM me.

Everything fits well with the Hind. It seems to me that even the painting is similar.

Yups. Note the square-ish endplates. Also, I suspect the tiltrotor straddled the Hinds main rotors on the flatbed.

Spot on, those are the main rotor blades and stub wings from the Hind. I disassembled and shipped both back to the Russell Military Museum about 15? years ago. As posted previously it is the AAC mockup. AAC made the air show circuit sometime in the late 80's or 90's in an attempt to drum up interest. The mock-up was painted black at that time. I had a visitor to the museum send me a picture of it he took at Sun n Fun, this was the first time we learned of it origin. How it made its way from AAC to the ranch/museum in Austin is unknown to me. In Austin, actually Liberty Hill, TX, it was parked in a hanger with the Hind now at the museum and a Mig-21. We assumed it was painted in Texas to match the Russian aircraft it was hangered with. We were told the ranch and hanger were owned by a Japanese man who retired back to Japan and auctioned off what he did not take back with him. Since we dealt with a proxy after the sale, we did not get a lot of information when we purchased both aircraft. Recently we learned the Hind was probably captured during the Contra conflict and returned to the States to be flown by the military to understand its abilities and limitations. It's was flown u til they ran out of spare parts sold off to the public. I had the privilege to fly in a Hind a few years ago with a pilot who was part of the Apache test program and was transfered to Hinds after their capture.

Hope this adds to your forum!
-Kyle

Thanks for joining and posting this confirmation Kyle.

 

[F.L.]

The mock-up was painted black at that time. I had a visitor to the museum send me a picture of it he took at Sun n Fun

Could you post scans of the photos of the mockup ?

 

[Orionblamblam]

Proposals have been accessed and photocopied/scanned. It's a bit of a mess at the moment, but they confirm that the mockup is the AAC "MP-36 Patriot"

 

[Orionblamblam]

Three view of the MP 36. The proposals included numerous other designs, up to an including a pretty damned unrealistic idea for a triple-decker transport.

 

[Coiler]

See the words "missile bay": Is any intended standard missile armament given?

 

[Orionblamblam]

See the words "missile bay": Is any intended standard missile armament given?

Hellfire, Maverick, Stinger in various combinations.

 

[southwestforests]

but they confirm that the mockup is the AAC "MP-36 Patriot"

My brain refuses to stop expecting that image to state the scale and the parts count.

 

[Orionblamblam]

My brain refuses to stop expecting that image to state the scale and the parts count.

You are not incorrect. Probably an "Airfix" logo on there somewhere. Maybe "Matchbox" and proud claims about the multi-colored parts...

 

[F.L.]

Three view of the MP 36. The proposals included numerous other designs, up to an including a pretty damned unrealistic idea for a triple-decker transport.

It's interesting to see on the plans that the MP-36 was designed to carry up to 8 soldiers plus crew. A bit like the Mi-24.

 

[TsrJoe]

Jeepers is that x3 mini guns shown in the GA. drawing
that thing would make for a fun model tho, abeit probably a bit less feasible than most SF. designs

 

[F.L.]

Otherwise, are there any kind of plans of it ?

It's not perfect, but here's a three-view.

 

[Orionblamblam]

Jeepers is that x3 mini guns shown in the GA. drawing

Nope. There are a mere two .50 caliber rotary guns in turrets... and one 20mm Vulcan in a fixed position.

 

[publiusr]

Everything fits well with the Hind. It seems to me that even the painting is similar.

Yups. Note the square-ish endplates. Also, I suspect the tiltrotor straddled the Hinds main rotors on the flatbed.

The nose of the Hind looks to have been cut off and turned into the tail of the dingus.

Clearly manned by newly divorced couples…one seated at each end—-each with the photograph of the other as the pipper.

—and you thought drones were merciless…

 

[martinbayer]

Everything fits well with the Hind. It seems to me that even the painting is similar.

Yups. Note the square-ish endplates. Also, I suspect the tiltrotor straddled the Hinds main rotors on the flatbed.

The nose of the Hind looks to have been cut off and turned into the tail of the dingus.

Clearly manned by newly divorced couples…one seated at each end—-each with the photograph of the other as the pipper.

—and you thought drones were merciless…

Reminds me of that tale: http://datagenetics.com/blog/august22017/index.html

 

[F.L.]

Prototype Tilt Rotor Aircraft

Prototype tilt rotor aircraft. Fiberglass mock-up for display only. Incredibly interesting piece. Will not, can not fly.

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