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F-4(FV) Proposal from 1965

http://aviationarchives.blogspot.com/2018/10/f-4-fvtechnical-proposal.html

"Тhis report presents McDonnell Aircraft Corporation's unsolicited proposal
for а three and one-half month, Navy-sponsored program defiinition of the Advanced
F-4B fighter aircraft concept identified as the F-4(FV). Preliminary studies performed
Ьу McDonnell on this and previous configurations have been reviewed Ьу the
Bureau of Naval Weapons. Navy review of McDonnell's preliminary efforts directed
the selection of the F-4(FV) configuration for fighter Weapon System Definition
Study now proposed. Тhе comprehensive study proposed in this report will result
in the development of а program definition to assist the Navy in making а decision
on procurement of an Advanced Fleet Air Defense Weapon System.
The F-4(FV) configuration is considered the optimum design resulting from а
lengthy series of studies conducted Ьу McDonnell's advanced design department.
Аs now conceived, this design offers the Navy а weapon system сараblе of multiple
launches of all-weather guided missiles against an incoming hostile raid plus а
major improvement in carrier suitability, increased radius of action, and maneuverability
as compared to the present F-4.
The scope of effort McDonnell will expend in definition of the F-4(FV)
program is described in this report. Тhе study will Ье а major effort involving
120 engineering personnel, and will Ье managed Ьу the sаme staff responsible for
conception and preliminary studies of this configuration. More than 50% of the
total aircraft advanced design effort during the past three years has been devoted
to а series of F-4 studies applicable and related to the proposed F-4(FV)
study."
 

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Mark Nankivil said:
Here's a few more items related to the Mcair proposal to the Navy for the F-4 (FVS). The drawing is from the detail specification and the PDF is a compilation of the airframe specs out of that detail spec.

There's enough info there to help someone come out with a model (hint, hint!).

Enjoy the Day! Mark
Ron Downey said:
F-4 (FVS) Aircraft Swing Wing Detail Specification

A copy of the McAir report No.SD513-2 on the F-4 FVS Aircraft Swing Wing Detail Specification proposal. Dated 10 August 1966.

From the AeroSpace Project Review:
“In the mid 1960’s, the McDonnell Aircraft Company devoted some internal funds and effort to the F-4(FVS). This would have removed the wing from the F-4 Phantom II and replaced it with an all-new shoulder-mounted swing wing. The target of this enterprise was primarily the US Navy; MAC assured them that the F-4(FVS) would be a superior carrier plane to the standard F-4 due to better low-speed handling characteristics. Howver, while the design seems to have been pretty sound, by this point the Navy wanted a capability the Phantom couldn’t provide: Phoenix missiles. In the end, the Navy largely ignored the F-4(FVS) and went with the F-14. But even then, McDonnell-Douglas proposed a design for the F-14 contest, the Model 225A, that was in part derived from the F-4(FVS) studies.”
See more info here.

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Alternate download here.
Source: http://aviationarchives.blogspot.com/2018/10/f-4-fvs-aircraft-swing-wing-detail.html
 

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A longer copy of a doc posted by Mark earlier in the topic - thanks :)
 

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Mark Nankivil said:
Greetings All -

I found another document in the Greater St. Louis Air & Space Museum archives this past weekend covering the F-4 (FVS) proposal. Here is a drawing of the manufacturing breakdown which gives some idea of the make up of the airframe.

Enjoy the Day! Mark
Ron Downey said:
F-4 (FVS) Swing Wing AircraftTech Development Plan
A copy of McAir report E790 on the F-4 FVS Swing Wing AircraftTech Development Plan. Dated 10 August 1966.

Click here to download (5.4 Megs).

Alternate download here.
Source: http://aviationarchives.blogspot.com/2018/10/f-4-fvs-swing-wing-aircrafttech.html
 

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Nice find my dear Paul,

and from Авиация и космонавтика 2018-07.
 

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hesham said:
Nice find my dear Paul,

and from Авиация и космонавтика 2018-07.
We already have both of these posted in higher quality in this topic. Pointless.
 

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Ron Downey said:
F-4M (FVS) Aircraft Swing Wing Proposal

A copy of the McAir F-4M (FVS) Aircraft Swing Wing Proposal, F378. Dated 24 February 1967.

Click here to download (1.9 Megs).

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Source: http://aviationarchives.blogspot.com/2018/10/f-4m-fvs-aircraft-swing-wing-proposal.html

Some excerpts, pictures or screenshots from this copy might have been posted in this topic before. :)
 

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PaulMM (Overscan) said:
We already have both of these posted in higher quality in this topic. Pointless.
OK my dear Paul,I never saw all the posts in this topic.
 

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fightingirish said:
Mark Nankivil said:
Greetings All -

I found another document in the Greater St. Louis Air & Space Museum archives this past weekend covering the F-4 (FVS) proposal. Here is a drawing of the manufacturing breakdown which gives some idea of the make up of the airframe.

Enjoy the Day! Mark
Ron Downey said:
F-4 (FVS) Swing Wing AircraftTech Development Plan
A copy of McAir report E790 on the F-4 FVS Swing Wing AircraftTech Development Plan. Dated 10 August 1966.

Click here to download (5.4 Megs).

Alternate download here.
Source: http://aviationarchives.blogspot.com/2018/10/f-4-fvs-swing-wing-aircrafttech.html
Reminds me of a miniature B-1 Lancer for some reason.
 

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fightingirish said:
Ron Downey said:
F-4M (FVS) Aircraft Swing Wing Proposal

A copy of the McAir F-4M (FVS) Aircraft Swing Wing Proposal, F378. Dated 24 February 1967.

Click here to download (1.9 Megs).

Alternate download here.
Source: http://aviationarchives.blogspot.com/2018/10/f-4m-fvs-aircraft-swing-wing-proposal.html

Some excerpts, pictures or screenshots from this copy might have been posted in this topic before. :)
Interesting... "AFVG" .... AFVG was cancelled in June 1967. This brochure is from Feb 1967 but the memo attached seems to show a lot of activity regarding F-4M(FVS) in July 1967.
 

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On my way to work, so no time to post, but... B)
F-4 (FV) H High Fixed Wing Phantom .
Edit:
Back at home, sitting at my PC, where I can see the full topic and can edit this post. ;)
Mark Nankivil said:
Greetings All -
Some drawings from a McAir brochure on the F-4X. There were also some proposals for a slightly modified wing for the F-4J (called F-4J+).
Enjoy the Day! Mark
Ron Downey said:
F-4X Navy Proposal
A copy of the McDonnell Aircraft F-4X proposal for the US Navy. Report No F333, dated Jan 1967.

From Kim Simmelink’s sources":"The Navy conducted a series of studies which were intended to take the F-4B design (the F-4J was still on the drawing board) into the future and give the Navy a much more capable machine by addressing the Phantoms shortcomings and incorporating state of the art systems. Out of these studies came the F-4(FV) concept. The F-4(FV) had a larger, more advance wing of 640 sq. ft., more advance electronics with multi-track and shoot capability, and the J79-GE-10 engine.

The Navy’s F-4X program (not to be confused with the F-4X program for the Air Force which resulted in the F-4E(S) for Israel) took the work done in the F-4(FV) studies and applied them to the upcoming F-4J looking at five different design variations which would take the design into the next century as a viable fleet defender.

The first variation is (referred to as the F-4J+) which was a minimum change of the upcoming F-4J. Improvements were made to the wing, and high lift devices, the catapult performance, and it was to be equipped with a modified AWG-10 with multi-shot capability for the AIM-7F Sparrow III missile.

Next was the F-4(FV)L which built on the F-4J+ with an improved wing (still mounted at the same place as the F-4J) which had increased wing area of 595 sq. feet, improved lift devices (including slats) and better carrier suitability.

The F-4(FV)H was a high wing variation of the F-4(FV)L which had modified main landing gear and lower fuselage, a thinner wing of 560 sq. ft., and offered more growth potential because of changes to the internal volume.

The F-4(FV)S was a revision of the F-4(FVS) proposed earlier by McDonnell, and increased the size of the wing from 420 sq. ft. on the F-4(FVS) to 500 sq. ft. This wing offered improved maneuverability and lower approach speeds. It still retained BLC on the trailing edge flaps. This design had a larger stabilator and vertical tail to improve stability.

The final design study was the F-4(FV)S with an advanced engine. This design would incorporate the increase area intakes of the F-4K along with the General Electric GE-1 engine. This design would have improved approach speeds, service ceiling, and acceleration time.

These studies were a last gasp to breathe new life into the F-4 airframe. But it was already showing its age and newer, more capable aircraft were soon to make it less likely that any serious consideration would be paid to these designs. Some improvements were taken from the studies and incorporated into the F-4S upgrade of the F-4J."
Click here to download (6.7 Megs).

Alternate download here.
Source: http://aviationarchives.blogspot.com/2018/10/f-4x-navy-proposal.html
 

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Found this on the Aviation Archives site. Don't know if it was an actual proposal or not but thought it was interesting. No further information on the website unfortunately.

http://aviationarchives.blogspot.com/2014/01/f-4-line-drawings.html
 

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RAP said:
Found this on the Aviation Archives site. Don't know if it was an actual proposal or not but thought it was interesting. No further information on the website unfortunately.

http://aviationarchives.blogspot.com/2014/01/f-4-line-drawings.html
Really lovely charcoal line pictures, especially the one you included here.
Other charcoal pictures at the link appear to be standard F-4s, no indication that this picture wasn't just an artists flight of artistic enthusiasm.
 
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