9M730 Burevestnik (SSC-X-9 Skyfall) cruise nuclear-powered missile

I wonder if nuclear powered recon drones flying over international waters will be a a thing - such a thing would be a viable alternative to satellites imo, and would naturally have a ton of onboard power to run powerful radars and sensors, datalinks etc.

Especially considering this - if your powerplant has an edurance measured in months, any considerations of efficiency go out the window - why not make it fly high and go supersonic?
Limited by how fast you can transfer the heat without opting for an exposed core, or melting the core, or melting the HP turbine for that matter if it's a turbojet-based nuclear design. You also have the endurance of the airframe and control surfaces at Mach 3 or 5 for long flights (possibly 10,000+km) to consider.
 
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Because it doesn't particularly contribute to winning the war when it arrives 3 weeks after the entire rest of the planet's arsenal goes boom.

It's just a final "F U, New York!"
And that's what all of them are.
Before, Soviet Union aimed at nuclear war fighting. That Russia still can, as such, Putin feels he can waste nuclear money however he wants - he doesn't need physical deterrence.

As such, the way to get money out of deterrence money is converting it into messaging and assymetric denial (conceptual deterrence through denial counters beforehand). It's an attempt to seal Russian position into the future, even future full of starships and golden shields.

As a nice bonus, it's going to give Russia leadership in rare technological groups no one explored to this depth before.

Yes, neither of them are something too impressive on their own. But they're experience (development, bug fixing, deployment).

And what comes off them can in fact be both impressive and less achievable by others.
 
Limited by how fast you can transfer the heat without opting for an exposed core, or melting the core, or melting the HP turbine for that matter if it's a turbojet-based nuclear design. You also have the endurance of the airframe and control surfaces at Mach 3 or 5 for long flights (possibly 10,000+km) to consider.
That could be a problem, but that's not a problem unique to this plane, but every plane that sustains high speeds at high altitudes, like the SR-71, which did a ton of thermal management. You can't rely on mass flow of air to cool yourself at 80k feet, even if you go at Mach 3 - you triple the mass flow, but the air density is less than a tenth of what you have at 10k feet. You need massive radiators, and afaik the SR-71 used fuel as a heatsink, something a nuclear plane won't be able to do.
I don't think an exposed core will help or hinder the process, as the heat transfer bottleneck between the reactor and the turbine (ramjet?) is the same at all flight conditions, however you're right that not having fuel to dump heat into severely limits the cooling opportunities of a nuclear plane.
 
Is not the missile is reportedly a pulse jet? But certainly the heat exchanger probably adds complexity and more limited efficiency as opposed to just letting an airstream flow directly through the core. Heat transfer mechanisms are never 100% efficient; any time you move heat around, you lose some.
 
The best bet would be orbital tracking, be it IR or radar. But since I do not see the Russian ICBM and SLBM force ever being unable to penetrate US defenses, this missile is best simply ignored.
 
That could be a problem, but that's not a problem unique to this plane, but every plane that sustains high speeds at high altitudes, like the SR-71, which did a ton of thermal management. You can't rely on mass flow of air to cool yourself at 80k feet, even if you go at Mach 3 - you triple the mass flow, but the air density is less than a tenth of what you have at 10k feet. You need massive radiators, and afaik the SR-71 used fuel as a heatsink, something a nuclear plane won't be able to do.
I don't think an exposed core will help or hinder the process, as the heat transfer bottleneck between the reactor and the turbine (ramjet?) is the same at all flight conditions, however you're right that not having fuel to dump heat into severely limits the cooling opportunities of a nuclear plane.
An exposed core would probably make for faster heat transfer to the working fluid than having to go via a heat exchanger, probably help cool the reactor too but obviously not ideal for testing purposes.
 
An exposed core would probably make for faster heat transfer to the working fluid than having to go via a heat exchanger, probably help cool the reactor too but obviously not ideal for testing purposes.
The US did test an open-cycle nuclear ramjet in the 1960s. And Russia has a lot of areas with no people in them to conduct such a test.
 
The US did test an open-cycle nuclear ramjet in the 1960s. And Russia has a lot of areas with no people in them to conduct such a test.
So did the US. But there's always a possibility missile will go blue screen and rogue.

Last time it happened with big Russian UCAV(with bad consequences already) was just a year ago; just imagine SLAMing a trail of destruction mig-23 style by accident.

It's a nightmare fuel, and there won't be any way to stop it.
 
I think it's just to eliminate the Tu-160s and Tu-95s as a strategic backbone by having a cruise missile that doesn't need to be lofted.
And to avoid basing them in Cuba as a never-ending keg-party.

Best to blow up the planet without the deadwood, you know?
 
So did the US. But there's always a possibility missile will go blue screen and rogue.

Last time it happened with big Russian UCAV(with bad consequences already) was just a year ago; just imagine SLAMing a trail of destruction mig-23 style by accident.

It's a nightmare fuel, and there won't be any way to stop it.
You don't test the nuclear ramjet in the airframe but once, and you use the simplest possible autopilot settings for that "all-up" test.

Your developmental tests happen on a test stand!
 
You don't test the nuclear ramjet in the airframe but once, and you use the simplest possible autopilot settings for that "all-up" test.
Then you (and what's worse, hot heads in opfor) are unsure it will work as intended. System must be tested at least from time to time, preferably in something reminicent of actual profile.

You don't have to go far around to see "russian/chinese junk" appearing here and there on this forum, and believing that elected officials are different breed of people is too much trust in humanity. And since these "junks" didn't appear out of thin air (for Russia, lower reliability standard for electronics is a matter of fact, and going back to domestic substites for global solutions won't magically improve things) - all the more reasons to actually test and check.

I.e. I don't think it's a good idea anyway - what Russia did now, in real world, is far more valuable beginning than a mad doomsday machine. Skyfall can be domsday machine too - but more practical one, and future applications of this tech go far beyond just that.
Unmanned nuclear plane with barely limited range and unlimited onboard energy supply at dawn of autonomous multipurpose unmanned platforms isn't exactly a joke.
Unmanned nuclear plane with established operational and disposal procedures (including apparently some written with blood), more so.
 
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Two MIT researchers have published an analysis that sheds fresh light on how the nuclear-powered missile actually worked.
Heres an interesting article that talks about it.
Report: Russia's nuclear-powered 'Skyfall' missile is dirty and dangerous

And heres the report itself:
https://bpb-us-e1.wpmucdn.com/sites...files/2026/06/Burevestnik_Paper_Final_pdf.pdf
Thank you for that!

I'm still digesting that report, but it seems to indicate that the only way to get supersonic nuclear power is a nuclear ramjet, while nuclear turbojets are limited to subsonic speeds.
 
I had thought the reason that this weapon was subsonic was specifically so it would not be open cycle. If they were just doing open cycle anyway, why not a ramjet?
 
I am not very knowledgeable but certainly the kind of nuclear turbine engines they are talking about would have caused military, gov and NGO sensor equipment to start spiking hard. Remember the news when they had that absolutely catastrophic malfunction most likely connected to this device? It was in the papers constantly and they frequently discussed the spikes in radioactivity and the kinds of isotopes detected. I have not seen similar criticisms during the few skyfall tests. Also wouldn't the fact that it is nuclear powered negate the inefficiencies of a subsonic ramjet system?

I get the vibe with the Russia posting all across the web the last couple of days that we are in the midst of another Ukrainian optics tour. Russia is losing, Russia is doomed, haha look Russian weapons suck, they are impotent, also Russia is an existential threat to the west, oh crap Russia is acting dangerous wtf is their problem??? Etc...
 
I'm wondering if they considered a variant with a closed cycle phase change coolant (read: steam engine), of course not sure if water would be the ideal medium for this, but how it would work is that the coolant fluid would be boiled off, turning a turbine, then condensed.

There would be no air turbine (thus it wouldnt really be a turbojet), and all the energy extracted from the former cycle would run a fan.
 
There was only I believe one publicized successful test, but if it was a directly air cooled weapon I would expect radiological alarms to go off in northern Europe. I do not recall that happening, outside of the accident that killed a half dozen people.
 
I had thought the reason that this weapon was subsonic was specifically so it would not be open cycle. If they were just doing open cycle anyway, why not a ramjet?
Because you'd have to deal with getting a fecking huge missile up to supersonic speeds before ramjet lightoff.

Remember, we're talking about a missile that is 9.5m long, 85cm in diameter, and weighs in at about 3.5tonnes for the observed subsonic performance.

SLAM/Pluto was 2m fuselage diameter/7m wingspan and ~32m long! Yes, you could shorten SLAMski's overall length if you were willing to only use a single warhead instead of the ~16 that SLAM was planned to use. But you can't reduce the diameter of the reactor much.


I'm wondering if they considered a variant with a closed cycle phase change coolant (read: steam engine), of course not sure if water would be the ideal medium for this, but how it would work is that the coolant fluid would be boiled off, turning a turbine, then condensed.

There would be no air turbine (thus it wouldnt really be a turbojet), and all the energy extracted from the former cycle would run a fan.
So, a nuclear turboprop?

The major problem with them is that they're heavy. At least another 1000kg for whatever you're putting into a missile.

A plane might be able to tolerate that much extra weight, but a missile is unlikely to be able to handle that much extra weight in the propulsion section.


There was only I believe one publicized successful test, but if it was a directly air cooled weapon I would expect radiological alarms to go off in northern Europe. I do not recall that happening, outside of the accident that killed a half dozen people.
Maybe they did a better job controlling how much core erosion happened?
 
So, a nuclear turboprop?

The major problem with them is that they're heavy. At least another 1000kg for whatever you're putting into a missile.

A plane might be able to tolerate that much extra weight, but a missile is unlikely to be able to handle that much extra weight in the propulsion section.
No. A closed cycle steam (or any other phase change working fluid) turbine. that's driving the shaft, which drives a fan. No propeller (obviously the missile doesnt have a propeller :D), and no air turbine, so 0% commonality with a turboprop.
 
No. A closed cycle steam (or any other phase change working fluid) turbine. that's driving the shaft, which drives a fan. No propeller (obviously the missile doesnt have a propeller :D), and no air turbine, so 0% commonality with a turboprop.
The missile has either a ducted fan, an unducted fan, or a propeller.

Which is very high commonality with a turboprop.
 
Indeed. And that rehashed article has shown me that those MIT guys are real certain. Why? It's big and subsonic. Dirty missile made by dirty scoundrel Russians.
 
Indeed. And that rehashed article has shown me that those MIT guys are real certain. Why? It's big and subsonic. Dirty missile made by dirty scoundrel Russians.
Actually their reasoning was that an indirect cycle engine would be larger and have a different form factor.
 
Against my better judgement i had a look here and i'll just say this regarding the fake uproar about the "dirty and dangerous evil ruski missile": if things actually ever get to the point of Burevestnik being fired in combat, whatever claimed radiation from it's engine is laughably irrelevant and the least worry of the potential enemy or anyone else. Rather more pressing would be the issue of several gigatons of nukes flying and detonating around the globe.

Of course, the mere existence of Burevestnik is to help deter against just such an end times scenario, but hey, can't let some honest reporting in the way of a good propaganda story.
 
Against my better judgement i had a look here and i'll just say this regarding the fake uproar about the "dirty and dangerous evil ruski missile": if things actually ever get to the point of Burevestnik being fired in combat, whatever claimed radiation from it's engine is laughably irrelevant and the least worry of the potential enemy or anyone else. Rather more pressing would be the issue of several gigatons of nukes flying and detonating around the globe.

Of course, the mere existence of Burevestnik is to help deter against just such an end times scenario, but hey, can't let some honest reporting in the way of a good propaganda story.
I'd be surprised if there are "gigatons" of yield left if you combined all the nukes in the world. This ain't the 60s where you might have gigatons of yield in ONE type of bomb in your inventory.
 
Two MIT researchers have published an analysis that sheds fresh light on how the nuclear-powered missile actually worked.
Heres an interesting article that talks about it.
And now reality: they merely stated that they think it may be open-cycle, but they admit that it's only their speculation based on missile external dimensions. They specifically stated that they did not exclude the possibility.
 
There are well over 3000 and probably more like 4000 deployed warheads in the world, roughly going from low hundred kiloton to megaton range. This not even counting the similar numbers of non-deployed warheads but likely to be done so in a war.
 
There are well over 3000 and probably more like 4000 deployed warheads in the world, roughly going from low hundred kiloton to megaton range. This not even counting the similar numbers of non-deployed warheads but likely to be done so in a war.
The vast majority are well under a megaton.
 
There are well over 3000 and probably more like 4000 deployed warheads in the world, roughly going from low hundred kiloton to megaton range. This not even counting the similar numbers of non-deployed warheads but likely to be done so in a war.
You dont actually need megaton scale warheads to devastate cities you know? higher megaton does not lineraly increase damage. Well places 150kt warheads in MIRVs are more than enough to devastate multiple cities. Hell even 50kT is more than enough to cause generational damage as we saw in in japan. Imagine 14 50KT warheads dropping on your city or even 4.
 
You dont actually need megaton scale warheads to devastate cities you know?
Well, that's until we got into gigatons range; according to Teller's calculations, the multi-gigaton superbomb, exploded just above the dense atmosphere, would superheat upper atmosphere with intense x-ray radiation, turning it into hot plasma. Sort of flat "pancake fireball", spread over thousand of kilometers - and hot enough to actually cause surface under it to ignite. A continental-scale firestorm, if you like; one bomb capable of incinerating the area, comparable with European nations. And no long-term contamination.
 
Well, that's until we got into gigatons range; according to Teller's calculations, the multi-gigaton superbomb, exploded just above the dense atmosphere, would superheat upper atmosphere with intense x-ray radiation, turning it into hot plasma. Sort of flat "pancake fireball", spread over thousand of kilometers - and hot enough to actually cause surface under it to ignite. A continental-scale firestorm, if you like; one bomb capable of incinerating the area, comparable with European nations. And no long-term contamination.
I said it before, but this is the very scenario of Robert Merle 1972 post-apocalyptic novel Malevil. I once used the old version, yield unlimited, of nukemap and found that 10000 Megatons ( = 10 gigatons) would incinerate the entire metropolitan France the way described in the novel: from Dunkirk to the spanish border, from french Brittany to Alsace.

https://web.archive.org/web/20120326084131/https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/
 
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Against my better judgement i had a look here and i'll just say this regarding the fake uproar about the "dirty and dangerous evil ruski missile": if things actually ever get to the point of Burevestnik being fired in combat, whatever claimed radiation from it's engine is laughably irrelevant and the least worry of the potential enemy or anyone else. Rather more pressing would be the issue of several gigatons of nukes flying and detonating around the globe.

Of course, the mere existence of Burevestnik is to help deter against just such an end times scenario, but hey, can't let some honest reporting in the way of a good propaganda story.
Here's the thing, though: if things ever get to the point of Burevestnik being fired in combat, Burevestnik is already obsolete. If you're at the point that dirty nuclear powered cruise missiles are on the table, the first ICBMs are probably going to be landing by the time you even get these things in the air. And once they're in the air, they so slow and bright that they'll be easy to intercept if the opponent still has any interception capability at all--and if they don't, then congratulations, all you're doing is bouncing rubble (or shattering glass, I guess).

This weapon has no strategic purpose, only propaganda value, which is why no one else is trying to build them anymore--they're just another ghost from Putin's Cold War haunted brain, and it makes it all the more hilarious that the rubles he keeps pouring into it serve only to do further ecological damage in Russian territory and kill Russian scientists.
 
It does seem like a weapon in search of a mission. It is hardly a particularly stealthy or high performance platform, outside more or less infinite range. It certainly gets to choose any flight path it wants, but it would arrive at the US about half a day after the place had been slagged by ICBMs and SLBMs. It also is probably a hideously expensive delivery platform, on top of being kinda dangerous to operate.

It really only makes sense as a development stepping stone to some other capability.
 
It does seem like a weapon in search of a mission. It is hardly a particularly stealthy or high performance platform, outside more or less infinite range. It certainly gets to choose any flight path it wants, but it would arrive at the US about half a day after the place had been slagged by ICBMs and SLBMs. It also is probably a hideously expensive delivery platform, on top of being kinda dangerous to operate.

It really only makes sense as a development stepping stone to some other capability.

It's main purpose is to serve as deterrence - a "dead hand" solution, that could be pre-launched during period of high tensions as a warning. The opponent planning a first strike would be forced to dealt not only with the possibility of pre-launched missiles getting attack order, but aslo with the possibility of them not getting cancel order. It makes decapitation strikes far less attractive; what the point of destroying enemy leadership, if pre-launched missiles would still get you, because you destroyed the ones that could told them not to?
 
This weapon has no strategic purpose, only propaganda value, which is why no one else is trying to build them anymore--they're just another ghost from Putin's Cold War haunted brain, and it makes it all the more hilarious that the rubles he keeps pouring into it serve only to do further ecological damage in Russian territory and kill Russian scientists.
You have no understanding of deterrence, that's obvious. The Burevestnik mere existence make first strike against Russia more and more complicated - less attractive for potential adversaries. It's the very idea of deterrence; making sure, that attack against you would be met with sufficient retaliation for the enemy to not even try.
 
The mission is not hard to find and not hard to understand if one thinks even briefly about it. It's the ultimate counter-value weapon.

The ICBMs that people talk so grandiose about are a valuable asset, as such they are reserved for valuable targets. Like silos, bases, bunkers, decision making centers, large military formations (nuclear tipped AShBMs *chef's kiss*). Alone the effort to wipe opposing silos and important military infrastructure from the face of the earth binds a large portion of the stockpile. Meanwhile Burevestnik can conduct counter-value strikes, cruising for extended periods relatively uncontested. Given that SAM sites will have expended all of their interceptors attempting to intercept ballistic missiles and ALCMs, while aircraft will for the most part be destroyed on the ground. Which means that even if a large population center or industrially significant area wasn't hit by an ICBM and people assume they weathered the worst of the storm, days or weeks later, that's when Burevestnik comes into play.

Not to mention that it offers yet another facette of nuclear attack. Everything from short, intermediate and intercontinental ballistic missiles, MIRVs or HGVs, subsonic air-launched cruise missiles, submarine launched missiles, Poseidon and Burevestnik. Thus no matter how much a given nation will invest in their strategic defense and pumping billions into tech bro scams which are AI-Driven!™, Space Bases!™, Networked!™ and Multidomain!™, that nation won't be able to deal with the whole spectrum of nuclear weapons meant to deter it, because one way or the other, defenses will be overwhelmed and mushroom clouds bloom. One may say it's a form of...uh...assured destruction (of the adversary).

So Burevestnik is mostly a counter-value weapon that's meant to broaden the already wide catalog of Russian strategic weapons in an effort to diversify the nuclear deterrent further and ensure a sufficient threat potential to secure the national security against hostile actors.
 
You have no understanding of deterrence, that's obvious. The Burevestnik mere existence make first strike against Russia more and more complicated - less attractive for potential adversaries. It's the very idea of deterrence; making sure, that attack against you would be met with sufficient retaliation for the enemy to not even try.
I do understand how deterrence works, actually, which is why I think this weapon system is patently ridiculous for that purpose. It is neither an effective first-strike weapon, nor a survivable second-strike weapon--two categories that, shockingly, already have perfectly serviceable solutions that various nations actually make and use in a serious fashion because they are actually serious solutions. This? This is a non-serious solution, it is a meme weapon.

See, again, the fact that they were only briefly entertained as a concept by the US even during the peak of its hothouse of nuclear strike development, and not even China is working on them now.
 
Why would China, who conventionally outmatch the US in the Western Pacific significantly, require an asymmetric strategic weapon to deter the United States? They already deter the US with the conventional elements of the PLAN, PLAAF and PLARF as well as their outright economic and industrial weight.

So of course China doesn't work on this stuff, they have no use for it.

As for second (and hypothetical strikes beyond that) who's going to contest it? The fragments of the USAF who won't have any meaningful infrastructure to operate with? The USNs destroyers? Spread thin and under threat of submarines and UUVs, limited in their magazine depth? The empty THAAD batteries which would run dry during or at the latest after the first wave of ICBMs have been launched? I think in these circumstances a cruise missile that can approach from any possible direction at any possible moment is perfectly survivable.

People look at how a couple hundred drones and missiles depleted the entire CENTCOM (+ IDF) inventory of high end missile interceptors during a Low to medium intensity missile campaign sustained by a heavily sanctioned country and genuinely believe the US won't run dry within a few hours of full blown strategic exchange. Lmfao. One now has to imagine that every missile that bypassed these measures was nuclear and that there were not hundreds but thousands and that's starting to roughly get to where a strategic exchange would be. Just that population centers will get obliterated with a certain delay, if so desired. Meaning that no matter what you do, how extensive first or second strikes would be, the casualties would be in the millions regardless. The essence is that the idea of Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, Detroit, Washington, NYC, Chicago etc. being blasted and radiologically contaminated would deter any kind of US first strike on Russia.
 

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