Yes, the Gripen E’s strength is not its flight performance but its electronics: Radar, sensor fusion, ECM & EW, data links, ;)
I find it amusing how videos such as this try to portray this as something unique to the Gripen. Shock, horror, so does the Rafale, Typhoon, F-35 etc etc to varying degrees.

Look the Gripen is a good jet and I believe it deserves to sell well. It could easily pick up the mantle of the F-5 of the 21st century. I also admire greatly the Swedes' ability to develop it (and dedicated efforts to market it). It is not however some sort of miracle jet and certainly not necessarily any better than other platforms, such as those mentioned above.
 
If you want to know how good the Gripen E is, then there are IMHO two reliable indicators of this:

The first is Gripen's performance record in Red Flag exercises. The second is the level of noise semi-professional forum posters who love Eastern kit are making about it.
One could also measure in terms of sales performance compared to its competitors... :rolleyes:
 
So can we get back to talking about Gripen E news.
All I see are posts and pics about the older Gripen model, as well as people resorting to personal attacks.
 
No and that's not even a difficult question to answer. When you see last generations fighters operate over hostile air space, for example US or Israeli aircraft over Iran, then that's because their way has been paved by the likes of the F-35, B-2 and B-1/B-52 using stand off weapons. And even then, you rarely see them operate directly over the heartland and more so at the border regions just because the thread of IADS can't be fully eliminated.

And unlike the US jets the Gripen E is overweight, underpowered and it's ECM suite is most likely not better than what the Americans and Israelis field. So trying to cross the line of contact would be suicide.

The only advantage the Gripen has over the F-16s Ukraine currently fields is that the Meteor gives it more credible means of defending itself. But ultimately it would just be used to launch stand off munitions and engage drones and slow flying cruise missiles. And for that role the horrendously high acquistion cost is not really justifiable. Not to mention that there is only like a dozen Gripen E/F right now.

I.e. this line of thinking belongs firmly in the realm of fantasy or Saab PR, to which of these Mr. Bronk subscribes, I'll let you decide for yourself. Let's just say that Saab has always been good at creating plenty of hype but delivering very little, quite literally so because the Gripen fleet across all variants isn't huge and export orders for the E/F are abysmal.
thank you for the well thought out answer, although I am pretty certain from people living in Tehran that US and Israeli jets are flying directly over Iran and not just border regions including over Tehran and most major cities. Which is why I asked the question about the Gripen Es capabilities in the first place. Not to say that risks are not there for those jets as we have seen with the F35 getting hit and videos of close calls. But the jets' EW SEAD and DEAD capabilities(F16 and F15s) have been exceptional. From your analysis, the answer is Gripen Es are not good enough to do something similar over say occupied Ukraine since their ECM suite is inferior and they do not have the support assets.

True, and which is all the more reason for Ukraine to operate the Gripen E. Or any other nation (like Sweden during the Cold War) that can't guarantee air superiority over the whole country:

Because if you are quick on your feet and always one step ahead through quick turn around times on numerous and dispersed road bases, your chances or survival are greater than if you are limited to a few well known airbases with hardened shelters and kilometers of runways in fixed spots ripe for the picking.
Okay so technically the Gripen-E should have the technical suite to carry out such operations over say occupied Ukraine. Actually I wonder with the Global Eye as well maybe it even augments the whole system. Not US Israeli level, but enough to stay airborne over hostile territory and jam medium to long range air defence systems such as Russian and Iranian ones. Also with meteor able to fend off Russian Su-35s and other capable Russian fighters. Honestly the Iranian AD systems have performed even worse than Saddam Husseins. Seems western style SEAD/DEAD capabilities have improved from lessons during the past 30 years. Question is does Gripen reach a good enough the level of SEAD/DEAD capable F16s and F15s to effectively carry out the same thing over say occuped Ukraine, and your answer seems to be yes. I guess at the end of the day it depends fielding them and testing it out in real combat like the F16s have been subjected to over the decades.
 
... Question is does Gripen reach a good enough the level of SEAD/DEAD capable F16s and F15s to effectively carry out the same thing over say occuped Ukraine ...

AFAIK, ZSU F-16AMs fly any SEAD missions above Ukrainian-held territory too. So, why question whether the Gripen can operate in an environment where the F-16s can't go?
 
AFAIK, ZSU F-16AMs fly any SEAD missions above Ukrainian-held territory too. So, why question whether the Gripen can operate in an environment where the F-16s can't go?
I meant whether Gripen-E for example would be able to operate over say occupied Ukraine not the non occupied parts, because currently with F16AMs this isnt the case. They risk getting hit by Russian Su-35s or other type such long range air to air. But with Meteor and Gripen theory is they could fend off capable Russian air superiority fighters which currently have Air to Air missiles that outrange them. So really wondering whether all these capabilities of Gripen-E are actually good enough or we shouldnt expect them to perform anywhere as advertised.
 
Well, the israelis and the americans seem to field pretty effective ECM Suites. At the moment they are bombing unpunished a regional power armed with latest eastern weapons, like the russian S-400 and the chinese HQ-9 SAM, which are marketed to have anti-stealth capabilities. If the Gripen has the same capabilities then it will do it„s job just fine...
(1) They aren't armed with "latest eastern" suites, neither S-400 nor HQ-9(which themselves aren't latest any longer, but this is beyond the point). They had 2 sets of PMU2, but they were taken out back in 2024.
Iranian AA is for the most part its own thing, coming from CW Standard, Hawk, and Kub legacies. Apparently, not all that well.
(2) Even CW aircraft without significant defensive suites and in vulnerable positions are doing fine over Iran.

Gripen E has way more defensive EW capability than just about any American tactical aircraft, and probably most Israeli ones too(while Israel is a frontrunner at self-escort, many of their (visible) solutions at this point are on the dated side).
I meant whether Gripen-E for example would be able to operate over say occupied Ukraine not the non occupied parts, because currently with F16AMs this isnt the case. They risk getting hit by Russian Su-35s or other type such long range air to air.
Any Ukrainian aircraft will be at risk of getting hit by Russian missiles when in the front area, there's no way around that. But until VKS doesn't want to fly over enemy ground, it's manageable with the right tactics.
I find it amusing how videos such as this try to portray this as something unique to the Gripen. Shock, horror, so does the Rafale, Typhoon, F-35 etc etc to varying degrees.
There's nothing physically unique in modern EW suites(like a different set of physics); all of them are very broadly similar. Even if there are some engineering choices on how to approach things. This, by the way, most certainly covers 5th-gen sets, they are not some unicorn sets built on some other math.

But Arexis is the latest (and quite likely the most capable atm) in the line of rather elaborate European suites, which tend to take EW self-escort to extreme (i.e., self-defense suit takes more volume and design attention than primary attack sensor). More premium volume within the aircraft, the best positions for the job.
meant whether Gripen-E for example would be able to operate over say occupied Ukraine not the non occupied parts, because currently with F16AMs this isnt the case. They risk getting hit by Russian Su-35s or other type such long range air to air. But with Meteor and Gripen theory is they could fend off capable Russian air superiority fighters which currently have Air to Air missiles that outrange them.
It's functionally very hard to outrange Russian fighters, as you can't operate at the same altitude as them in the first place.
In energy competition between the Meteor and Russian A2A missiles, 40N6, 9M82/83, or even 77N6(aka stupidly large and fast Russian heavy SAMs, with the last one weighing as much as Gripen itself) will likely win.

What Meteor can do is it can reach very respectable ranges while shot from the deck and/or relatively slow. This can make aircraft relevant and capable of contesting air superiority despite the odds.
 
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Gripen E has way more defensive EW capability than just about any American tactical aircraft, and probably most Israeli ones too(while Israel is a frontrunner at self-escort, many of their (visible) solutions at this point are on the dated side).
I doubt that. I don't see anything in Arexis that is more advanced than for example the ALQ-254 or the ALQ-257 now equiping F-16 fleets or the EPAWSS that is flying on F-15Es over Iran today. Israel is also going through an upgrade of their F-16I fleet.
There's nothing physically unique in modern EW suites(like a different set of physics); all of them are very broadly similar. Even if there are some engineering choices on how to approach things. This, by the way, most certainly covers 5th-gen sets, they are not some unicorn sets built on some other math.
While the physical equipment may not broadly differ what separates the men from the boys in EW are the libraries. US and Israel likely have EW libraries that dwarf what Sweden/Saab has access to.
 
When it comes to how the Gripen E can be operated in time of war, this continues the tradition of using dispersed road bases which the SwAF introduced in the late 1960's, and the Gripen E has also been designed from the start with this in mind.

And this way of operating is of course not limited to Sweden, and can thus be used by any Gripen E customer provided they invest in a similar infrastructure. If you're interested to learn more about how Gripen can operate from road bases, there is a separate thread for that which you can find here.
 
I doubt that. I don't see anything in Arexis that is more advanced than for example the ALQ-254 or the ALQ-257 now equiping F-16 fleets or the EPAWSS that is flying on F-15Es over Iran today. Israel is also going through an upgrade of their F-16I fleet.
I doubt it's more advanced. But it's a bigger system, taking more real estate, placed at the juiciest spots on the airframe, regardless of the same aircraft being far more susceptible to a performance penalty. On F-15 and most F-16, everything but RWR is placed where they could enough real estate.

Thanks for the piece on F-16I, though tbh I mostly thought about rather ancient vanilla F-15 and F-16 still in Israeli service (and very active over Iran). Those are, broadly, the kind of aircraft that were shot down during the Desert Storm back in 1991.
Yes, there's a difference, but one would expect 2010s SAMs to cover that difference.

F-15I and F-16I are certainly not the aircraft I'd call underprotected, even before the said upgrade.
While the physical equipment may not broadly differ what separates the men from the boys in EW are the libraries. US and Israel likely have EW libraries that dwarf what Sweden/Saab has access to.
Part is libraries, part is what to do with them, especially with unexpected unknowns. Angry Kitten Story is a very interesting case here, how old&not very successful jammer (even for its own era, 45 years ago) can be completely reborn.
 
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There has been a lot of speculation in this thread about the Gripen E’s capabilities when it comes to EW and ECM which I really would like to comment. But since I’ve worked professionally with EW for years, Gripen systems among them, I usually don’t comment much on this subject in aviation forums (see my sig!) since I’m still bound by NDA’s.

However, what I can say more about, is that I’ve also been involved in the marketing of Ericsson SAAB’s ERIJAMMER A100 EW training system, which among other things was trialed by the US Navy’s VAQ-34 (can't talk about that unfortunately!) under the designation ALQ-503. It has also been sold to Canada and Switzerland.

And connected to this is a small anecdote illuminating Swedish EW competence: While on duty in our booth at Farnborough, I once met a USAF F-15 pilot who wanted to know more about our systems. I informed him that we had sold the ERIJAMMER A100 to Canada, and that they were using it in Maple Flag exercises. When I said this, this seemed to ring a bell and looking somewhat bemused, he said something like: “OK, so THAT was what they were using....”, whereupon he suddenly seemed to remember where he was, and assumed a rather guilty look which I of course answered with a big grin. ;)

Now if Swedish training systems can do that, then I leave it up to your imagination what our tactical stuff can do once you flip the small switch down to the right in Gripen E’s cockpit (circled in red), which while by default is set to the “peace” position, but which of course at any time can be flipped to “war” position whereupon a lot of “interesting” things happens to both radar and EW modes, much of what I think would be very appreciated by possible customers like the Ukraine AF for example.

Gripen E cockpit war and peace switch.jpg
 
The Gripen E certainly has a nice looking glass cockpit AndersJ.

Yes, those new big screen displays are very versatile. Never had anything like that while I was working in the industry. One wonders what they will show under different circumstances? Say you get illuminated by an S-400 and receive a launch indication? My guess is it would automatically change into a dynamic missile range display showing appropriate maneuvering and ECM suggestions etc.

However, the only thing we can know for sure is that we will never see anything like they will display in time of war at airshows like Farnborough and Le Bourget. What you will see there (like in the above picture) will be vetted harmless generic display modes, nothing else.
 
Anything like the Early warning system page will be highly classified I would think AndersJ.
 
I find it amusing how videos such as this try to portray this as something unique to the Gripen. Shock, horror, so does the Rafale, Typhoon, F-35 etc etc to varying degrees.

Look the Gripen is a good jet and I believe it deserves to sell well. It could easily pick up the mantle of the F-5 of the 21st century. I also admire greatly the Swedes' ability to develop it (and dedicated efforts to market it). It is not however some sort of miracle jet and certainly not necessarily any better than other platforms, such as those mentioned above.
Gripen E's internal EW suite is GaN based, non of the other mentioned EW suits are today. Its also got "UWB" coverage, also something that the others dont have today.
The fact that the Luftwaffe scraped the Praetorian EW system for its EK version of the Typhoon and bolted on the Arexis system from the Gripen E instead points to it being a very capable system.

It also seems that the 20 new ordered Tranche 5 Typhoons for the Luftwaffe will use the Arexis instead of the Praetorian.
 
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Anything like the Early warning system page will be highly classified I would think AndersJ.

Yes, and one of the things that will be so good with the Gripen E is that this huge display will be able to present a lot of interesting stuff connected to EW, dynamic threat areas, missile avoidance etc.

Just to take an example, AFAIK the Swedish Defense Material Administration (FMV) have done a two year evaluation of a system a former Gripen pilot's aviation firm Avioniq has been working on: Rattelsnaq, which he says may be integrated in Gripen E. If so, the pilot will then get a 3D picture both with his and his opponents missile envelopes and cues on how to maneuver to minimize the risk of getting shot down.

Sure, others are working on similar concepts, but my point is that Sweden has competence in the area, and are willing to do technology transfer to the right customers.

And in a future fight, you will not win because you can do Cobra maneuvers or turn with a few deg/s better: You will either win or lose because your radar, EW, avionics and display functions are better or worse than you opponents.
 
The key issue offered is sovereign control over operation, mission, sensor data etc.
But i feel an upgrade path for the next generation like investment for cheaper aquisition options etc would be more enticing.
This is an entirely AI generated website with 0 citations from Saab or the Canadian government.

Even the quotes are hallucinations!

*Edit - Thanks Mods for the cleanup...
 
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I find it amusing how videos such as this try to portray this as something unique to the Gripen. Shock, horror, so does the Rafale, Typhoon, F-35 etc etc to varying degrees.

Look the Gripen is a good jet and I believe it deserves to sell well. It could easily pick up the mantle of the F-5 of the 21st century. I also admire greatly the Swedes' ability to develop it (and dedicated efforts to market it). It is not however some sort of miracle jet and certainly not necessarily any better than other platforms, such as those mentioned above.
It is 6 x better in maintaining it.....and a flying hour ( than the cheapest available stealth ).

It is also supacruise, Mach 2 and agile.
 
President Volodymyr Zelenskyy expects Ukrainian pilots to begin training on Swedish-made Gripen fighter jets as early as this year.

Source: Zelenskyy during a joint press briefing with King Carl XVI Gustaf of Sweden in Lviv, as cited by Ukrinform and reported by European Pravda

 
Regarding the Gripen's maximum instantaneous turn capability, there is a "soft" stop at which you get 9 g's if the dynamic pressure is high enough and you don't exceed the maximum angle of attack. But this soft stop can in an emergency be overriddeen with enough force to get you 12 g if the aerodynamic properties are there to do that.

On a tangent: In the early stages of the Gripen's development I believe that the Swedish Defense Material Administration (FMV) wanted an automatic ejection mode to be implemented, as in if the pilot managed to get himself into a situation where the speed vector towards the ground was such that whatever he did he was going to crash anyway, then the system would eject him automatically.

But this did not sit well with SwAF pilots, who were reluctant to trust engineers on this point and it was never implemented AFAIK. But I suppose in some sense one can understand them, given that SW has been known to contain bugs sometimes. ;)

But jokes aside, they already have their lives placed in the hands of engineers as it is: Because in case of a FBW malfunction at high speed they would be killed in an instance anyway.
 
Regarding the Gripen's maximum instantaneous turn capability, there is a "soft" stop at which you get 9 g's if the dynamic pressure is high enough and you don't exceed the maximum angle of attack. But this soft stop can in an emergency be overriddeen with enough force to get you 12 g if the aerodynamic properties are there to do that.

On a tangent: In the early stages of the Gripen's development I believe that the Swedish Defense Material Administration (FMV) wanted an automatic ejection mode to be implemented, as in if the pilot managed to get himself into a situation where the speed vector towards the ground was such that whatever he did he was going to crash anyway, then the system would eject him automatically.

But this did not sit well with SwAF pilots, who were reluctant to trust engineers on this point and it was never implemented AFAIK. But I suppose in some sense one can understand them, given that SW has been known to contain bugs sometimes. ;)

But jokes aside, they already have their lives placed in the hands of engineers as it is: Because in case of a FBW malfunction at high speed they would be killed in an instance anyway.

Why ?
 
Because either the instantaneous g-forces will kill the pilot outright, and/or it will break up the airplane in an instant.
It is known that in certain conditions man can survive 40-150 Gs. Not without problems.

John Stapp, a U.S. Air Force officer and doctor (MD), survived extreme G-forces exceeding 40 Gs in the 1950s to test human endurance for rocket sled decelerations.

Key Details on Surviving >40 Gs
  • The Individual: Col. John Stapp, known as "the fastest man on earth," was a physician who researched the effects of acceleration and deceleration on humans.
  • The Record: In 1954, Stapp was subjected to a deceleration that peaked at 46.2 Gs.
  • Impact on Body: During this experiment, Stapp's body weight felt like over 7,700 pounds for a few seconds. The forces caused temporary blindness (redout/greyout) and ruptured blood vessels in his eyes, but he survived with no permanent injuries, demonstrating that humans can briefly survive exceptionally high, short-duration G-forces.


F-1 driver survived 179.8 positive Gs in Adelaide.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXhWM8tZE_E
 
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On a tangent: In the early stages of the Gripen's development I believe that the Swedish Defense Material Administration (FMV) wanted an automatic ejection mode to be implemented, as in if the pilot managed to get himself into a situation where the speed vector towards the ground was such that whatever he did he was going to crash anyway, then the system would eject him automatically.
Why would you implement automatic ejection in this case rather than automatic pull up? As has been done with Auto GCAS.
 
The Gripen E certainly has a nice looking glass cockpit AndersJ.
It's the newest [western] fighter cockpit in the world, after all, together with SH blk.3 and F-15EX.
Wider world will add modern Chinese cockpits and Su-57 "mod 2025"; that's it.
And in a future fight, you will not win because you can do Cobra maneuvers or turn with a few deg/s better: You will either win or lose because your radar, EW, avionics and display functions are better or worse than you opponents.
This isn't really a good argument for Gripen, though. Which is good in degrees, but physically limited in power/real estate, and it is most certainly not stealth.

.p.s. to be fair, as of 2026, it turns out that degrees do save lives in all relevant examples of modern warfighting. Starting with the 2010s Syria (incident where an Israeli F-16 was shot down with the pilot specifically accused of giving up defensive maneuvering too early), Ukraine, Yemen, Iran.
 
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An explanation
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6pVOG33B2E


This video is most likely in whole or in part AI generated, and the channel is created by a random person in Vietnam to make money. Hardly a reliable "source" for anything at all. Clickbait title.

It's quite possible that the vast increase in site traffic from Brazil and Vietnam, nations that for a long time hardly visited the forum, is related to the increasing trend of such videos churned out en masse in lower income economies.
 
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The Saab JAS 39 Gripen features a high instantaneous turn rate, aided by its delta wing and canard configuration, allowing it to pull up to 9g almost instantly at combat speeds. It is considered highly maneuverable and evenly matched with fighters like the F-16 in close-combat, with a focus on care-free handling to maximize pilot performance.
so you said it had the best turn rate but turns out... pun intended... that according to AI it isn;t any better than other platforms.
The estimated operating cost for a Saab JAS 39 Gripen is roughly $4,500 to $10,000 per flight hour for older C/D models, with newer E/F models estimated between $20,600 and $22,100 per hour
So even AI can't figure out how much a Gripen costs to operate...
The Saab Gripen E is a 4.5-generation fighter with a maximum speed of Mach 2+ at high altitude. It features supercruise capability, allowing it to sustain speeds of around Mach 1.2–1.25 without afterburners, even while carrying air-to-air weapons. This capability is powered by a single General Electric F414-GE-39E engine.


Supercruise Capability


The Gripen E is designed for efficient, sustained supersonic flight without using fuel-intensive afterburners, commonly known as supercruise. While some reports suggest top supercruise speeds around Mach 1.2 with missiles, the aircraft is noted for its ability to maintain supersonic speeds for several minutes during, according to the detailed analysis on Wikipedia, tests. This high-speed performance is achieved through a low-drag airframe and high-performance engine.
Can you find on the current Saab website for the Gripen E https://www.saab.com/products/gripen-e-series , not historical Saab marketing puff pieces, where it lists the Gripen E can supercruise?

It has quietly disappeared from their marketing, I wonder why...
Acceleration: Known for high agility, the Gripen E on Saab.com can rapidly accelerate and maneuver at supersonic speeds.
This really sets the aircraft apart, being able to rapidly accelerate and manoeuvring at supersonic speed, who would have thought...
Training Wins: During a Red Flag exercise, reports indicate the JAS 39 Gripen achieved a 4–0 win against F-22s in close-combat scenarios.
Great. Is there honestly a single scenario where an F-22 would not have killed a Gripen or flight of Gripens from long range before the Gripens even knew they were detected? Starting from WVR when you know where each other is makes it a semi fair fight. 5th gen aircraft are not designed to fight fair.
 
This video is most likely in whole or in part AI generated, and the channel is created by a random person in Vietnam to make money. Hardly a reliable "source" for anything at all.

It's quite possible that the vast increase in site traffic from Brazil and Vietnam, nations that for a long time hardly visited the forum, is related to the increasing trend of such videos churned out en masse in lower income economies.
I think this one has an AI voice as well but its well sourced and was actually really good

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzWRL7459CA
 
Is it just me or does the Gripen seem to attract more fanboys sprouting gibberish than other aircraft?
Typhoon and Rafale are pretty similar and expensive, F-35's fairly expensive, about as heavy. Gripen's focus on small size and low operational costs does differentiate it a bit.

its not some kind of F-22 killer though.
 
Is it just me or does the Gripen seem to attract more fanboys sprouting gibberish than other aircraft?

For the past few (I don't know) weeks (at least?) this conversation has been showing signs of "flooding the zone" i.e. pushing so much low quality "content" (the nominal purpose of it being irrelevant; technical, supportive, opposing, doesn't matter) in the space that constructive information exchange becomes prohibitively costly, disorienting and unpleasant. It's not specific to this site alone; as I'm somewhat interested in this fighter I've noticed a marked uptick of AI generated stuff on the subject all around the net since it achieved some export success and especially since SAABs effort to get Canada to adopt it as well.

Some of it is surely just opportunistic. AI is bringing the cost of trying to cash in on genuinely trending subjects very low especially in places where a little income goes a long way or labor is more exploitable. But some types of misinformation about the Gripen are now so thematically persistent that I've begun to consider whether there are other driving forces at play here too. For instance, baseless claims of swapping the F414 for EJ200s on a host of "defense websites" that seem to have sprung up very recently were making simple web searches and the offerings of YouTube's algorithm exercises in frustration. Other stuff as well but it's been mostly eminently ignorable, at least beyond the first examples of any new clickbait idea emerging.

In any case I've just come to read conversations such as these differently; I breeze through the latest comments chronologically but only tend to read around certain "anchor" posters who have previously benefited the thread with original insight, inquiry and information.
 
For the past few (I don't know) weeks (at least?) this conversation has been showing signs of "flooding the zone" i.e. pushing so much low quality "content" (the nominal purpose of it being irrelevant; technical, supportive, opposing, doesn't matter) in the space that constructive information exchange becomes prohibitively costly, disorienting and unpleasant. It's not specific to this site alone; as I'm somewhat interested in this fighter I've noticed a marked uptick of AI generated stuff on the subject all around the net since it achieved some export success and especially since SAABs effort to get Canada to adopt it as well.

Some of it is surely just opportunistic. AI is bringing the cost of trying to cash in on genuinely trending subjects very low especially in places where a little income goes a long way or labor is more exploitable. But some types of misinformation about the Gripen are now so thematically persistent that I've begun to consider whether there are other driving forces at play here too. For instance, baseless claims of swapping the F414 for EJ200s on a host of "defense websites" that seem to have sprung up very recently were making simple web searches and the offerings of YouTube's algorithm exercises in frustration. Other stuff as well but it's been mostly eminently ignorable, at least beyond the first examples of any new clickbait idea emerging.

In any case I've just come to read conversations such as these differently; I breeze through the latest comments chronologically but only tend to read around certain "anchor" posters who have previously benefited the thread with original insight, inquiry and information.
Agreed.

Far too much posting of poor quality content from Youtube or websites with little to no validation of sources. Of course, if you love Gripen, you want to hear how awesome it is, and so this stuff validates your position and you don't apply any critical thinking.
 

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