Various Dassault Jet Projects and Prototypes

[Deltafan]

In the lastest issue of the French aviation magazine "Le Fana de L'Aviation 2023-005 (642)", there is a 3-view drawing of the biz-jet project "Dassault Falcon X2C" from November 1983.
A screenshot of that 3-view drawing might follow at a later point, due to the forum rules.

"From November 1983, Dassault's design offices design office started to work on the replacement of the "Dassault Falcon 20" with the engine available at the time at the time, the Garrett TFE 731-5 with 4,500 pounds of thrust [2,040 kg]. In order to offer a flat floor cabin
1.83m ceiling height, or 2.30m outside diameter outside diameter, a take-off weight of of 9.8 tonnes, a range of 2,600 nautical
of 2,600 NM [nautical miles, 4,815 km] with eight passengers at Mach 0.84, it is necessary to master three major
technological steps: increased laminarity on all surfaces, light weight by using composite materials, and
composite materials, and active electric flight controls. The design office's response is the FX2C project, a sort of Piaggio "Avanti' jet plane equipped with an active controls and canards. Serge Dassault is sceptical and prefers to wait for more powerful engines on a more conventional project using a maximum of components of the "Falcon 900".
This is how the "Falcon X" was born. A model was unveiled on June 8, 1989 at the Paris Air Show, made possible by the appearance of the CFE 738 engine engine and by the new design of the rear fuselage section supporting the engines. On the same day, the new Dassault logo was unveiled. The new Dassault logo, a four-leaf clover, evoking the talisman of Marcel Dassault in a delta-shaped frame in the shape of a delta, symbolising the company's dynamism and open-mindedness. of the company. It was renamed "Dassault Falcon 2000" at the NBAA show in Atlanta in Atlanta in October 1989."

Hi,

Could it be this plane, whose name and origin I have been looking for (12!) years?

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/dassault-falcon-delta-canard-study.11958/https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/th...jet-projects-and-prototypes.15791/post-387336
Edit: I did not remember that I had already received Le Fana number 642 (I am months behind in my reading of magazines). It's not the same design as the plane I'm looking for the origin of.

 

[F.L.]

Proposed naval variant of the Mystère IV, with two propositions :

 

[hesham]

From Aviation magazine 1955,

the MD Mystere XXVI.

From Flight 1955.

 

[blackkite]

From Icare 1969,

what was this Project ?.

Hi!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1769986412684640670

View: https://x.com/AviationMarlene/status/1769986412684640670

https://picclick.fr/ARSENAL-VG33-C1-maquette-REPLICA-LE-FANA-avion-135288612498.html

 

[Archibald]

Dassault paper comparing its 4 multirole interceptor/strike designs from the 1960s:

- Mirage T (delta)
- Mirage F2/F3 (conventional swept wing)
- Mirage G (variable geometry)
- Mirage V (VTOL)

AAAARGH how did I missed that back in the day ? this is freakkin' awesome !

 

[hesham]

From Aviation magazine 1-12-1984,

Dassault-Breguet estimates that the "Falcon" 50 can be used as an
in-flight refueling aircraft in two configurations: in one, the cabin is
equipped for 9 passengers and the fuel capacity is 7,040 kg. In the
other, the number of passengers is reduced to 4 and four additional
tanks, arranged on either side of the central wing, directly above the
wing root, make it possible to increase the available fuel mass to 9,110 kg.
One day is enough to switch the aircraft from one configuration to the other.

 

[Michel Van]

the Mystère XXII mock up later this plane became Etendard II

source X

 

[bercr]

2 well-known photos of Mirage IV 01

© Dassault

 

[bercr]

Brétigny air base (France)
MD 450 Ouragan, Mystère IV, Super Mystère B2, Mirage III E 03, Mirage III R 02, Mirage IV 03.

© GIFAS/AMD - J. Havard

 

[Archibald]

... and Etendard IV ! (the one and only painted navy blue, poor thing trapped between the Mystère and Mirages)

 

[riggerrob]

From Aviation magazine 1-12-1984,

Dassault-Breguet estimates that the "Falcon" 50 can be used as an
in-flight refueling aircraft in two configurations: in one, the cabin is
equipped for 9 passengers and the fuel capacity is 7,040 kg. In the
other, the number of passengers is reduced to 4 and four additional
tanks, arranged on either side of the central wing, directly above the
wing root, make it possible to increase the available fuel mass to 9,110 kg.
One day is enough to switch the aircraft from one configuration to the other.

Why am I picturing a modernized version - with semi-autonomous piloting - being used to re-fuel drones patrolling the Canadian Arctic?

 

[TinWing]

From Aviation magazine 1-12-1984,

Dassault-Breguet estimates that the "Falcon" 50 can be used as an
in-flight refueling aircraft in two configurations: in one, the cabin is
equipped for 9 passengers and the fuel capacity is 7,040 kg. In the
other, the number of passengers is reduced to 4 and four additional
tanks, arranged on either side of the central wing, directly above the
wing root, make it possible to increase the available fuel mass to 9,110 kg.
One day is enough to switch the aircraft from one configuration to the other.

The same configuration for a turbine powered HDU on a centerline pylon beneath the wing box was depicted for Boeing 737 and 757 refueling concepts. I do have to wonder if this exact configuration ever actually was ever actually flown or even seriously wind tunnel tested? Would there be aerodynamic interference with the hose and basket under that long fuselage? An internal aircraft powered HDU mounted further aft seems to be the rule of thumb for this type of centerline installation, even in the one off CV880 tanker.

 

[hesham]

From Flight 1957,

what was this Dassault SST Project ?,it's not Super Caravelle,because it was mentioned
in another part of the article to Sud-Aviation.

 

[Arjen]

"Heron replacement":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Heron
With 4 x 750 h.p. and propellers unlikely to be a SuperSonic Transport.

 

[hesham]

View attachment 818168
"Heron replacement":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Heron
With 4 x 750 h.p. and propellers unlikely to be a SuperSonic Transport.

They spoke about two aircraft,I asked about SST one ?.

 

[Arjen]

From your clip:
"As far as is known this French company are not actually engaged in the design of a supersonic transport"
- means no Dassault SST project, no Dassault SST design -
"although they have announced their interest in this field"
- means Flight in 1957 thought Dassault could eventually start work on an SST, but, according to Flight, was not doing so at the time.
That leaves the one and only project mentioned in your clip, Flight in 1957 assumed Dassault to be working on, was the Heron replacement.

Nothing else.

No Dassault SST.

It is notoriously difficult to prove the non-existence of things, on the other hand this clip does not offer a scrap of an inkling of evidence of a 1957 Dassault SST project/design.

 

[hesham]

- means no Dassault SST project, no Dassault SST design -
"although they have announced their interest in this field"

You just asnwer instead of them,from where do you get this ?,do you
have all Dassault MD series or list for projects and aircraft ?!.

 

[Arjen]

If there is anything that points to a 1957 Dassault SST project/design, your clip does not offer it. What makes you think there might be such a project/design?

Bertrand Russell's non-reflective black teapot in orbit somewhere in the solar system comes to mind.

I cannot prove that teapot does not exist, but then I don't feel inclined to do so.