Izdeliye 20（AL-41F）：？/18
Source: Trust me bro
Is the photographic and video evidence I provided authentic?
This is getting off topic but your information is incorrect. The izdeliye 129 is the designation for R&D work for the fan (or low-pressure compressor) of the izdeliye 30. It’s not a separate engine design, that was an earlier misreporting.
What is the source of this information?
This proves nothing. If you sharpen an image, you can get this kind of effect on photos of any aircraft. Also, my question is: not even semi-official aviation enthusiasts within China have released any information about the WS-15. Where did you get your sources? Why are you diverting the conversation to this heavily filtered photo? Does this picture have anything to do with the point you're making?
Bro, if you’re being serious, people at that level in China would never leak any weapon-related info on internet forums.What’s more, Chinese military forums are a total free-for-all with every take imaginable. I could easily dig up people saying India’s engine tech has lapped China’s if I tried. None of that garbage is worth treating as a reliable source.
It has already been presented. Furthermore, according to last year's new PPT, the WS-15 only holds an advantage over the F119 within the low-altitude/low-speed envelope. This perfectly aligns with the original positioning of the R-79: a pursuit of vertical takeoff performance.
That…is a non-sequitur and not even the proper interpretation for what the slide is claiming.
Thanks for the reminder, I almost forgot!
ws-20？ws-19？ws-15？cgt-40?radar?j-36？j-50？pl-17？hq-19？hq-29？type-100?df-17?BRO...I think these discussions are pretty meaningless. Wonder if the admins will delete them.
These crap images are when you process the shit out of a picture with Photoshop. Sharpen like a MF for example.
Can videos be photoshopped too?
Hmm, I’m just all too familiar with this toxic, pestering style. It reminds me of figures like ZWZ and the so-called "Guru" from the Chinese internet.
So what, doubts haven't just appeared in a day or two. Over ten years ago, didn't people still question whether it could even fly? Looking on the bright side, at least those people acknowledged it as a fighter jet rather than a model. Now they are only questioning the quality, not the quantity. By now, no one should be questioning that the number of J-20s is less than triple digits, right...？
Aside from the fact that I meant with "easy on the eyes" aesthetically pleasing (with regards to shape and proportions), I'll take the obvious bait.
Ah, exactly. Shouldn't American aircraft be subjected to the same scrutiny? Look at the F-22 in particular—its skin looks like an orange peel, especially around the wing sections. The pictures you provided don't even show
These are clearly design compromises made during the later stages when subsystem dimensions exceeded their initial limits, forcing an alteration to the skin's shape to accommodate the bulging contours, which ultimately resulted in that orange-peel-like exterior. These issues were completely nonexistent on the early prototype aircraft, and this is obviously not a case of a few loose screws or aged coatings.
Oh, absolutely. For an aircraft that has been in service for less than ten years, the J-20's level of wear and tear—at least in your eyes—can only be compared to the B-52, a bomber that went out of production over sixty years ago. While we're at it, let's put the FC-31 on display as well.
The B-52 skin wrinkles are known to be an extreme outlier.
Enough people have already corrected you about the AL-41F1. I just wanna point out that there's no official thrust figures for ANY of the WS-10 variants beyond 2016, nevermind the WS-10C2. I see we love making stuff up huh?
You're forgetting that the intake system of the J-20 has an adjustable component to it beyond the DSI bump. Also, my impression is that the DSI bumps are indeed different in size going from the 20 to 20A. Given how a DSI works (they're quite sensitive in terms of geometry), small geometric changes is enough to have large aerodynamic effects.
Lol.
Lol again! Gonke is talking out of his ass btw, this isn't reflective of the actual WS-15 we know of currently post-2018 overhaul. This "senior insider" is in fact virtually a janitor in IIRC Guiyang, not SARI which is responsible for designing the WS-15. We went through this in SDF.
That's not what the seminar said, buddy. It was "a particular novel approach to combating thermoacoustic instability allowed us to not use Helmholtz resonators, as opposed to the F119. This alone enabled superior low altitude performance, especially at higher speeds." You can't even read a graph you used correctly lmao, and you expect us to take you seriously?
I cannot, in clear conscience, regard you as having the same level of sapience as the rest of us.
The fact that the China government has never officially disclosed the performance figures for the WS-10 does not mean those numbers do not exist. Given that both are derived from the CFM-56 core, are we to believe that China's WS-10 can somehow outperform America's F110?
Of course it would—it's a textbook defect. The F-35’s shortcomings are neck-and-neck with those of the J-20, though it currently seems slightly better off than the J-35. At least they've built a thousand F-35s, and it can actually deploy JDAMs. While the F-35 fails to live up to the 'F' (Fighter) designation, it manages a passing grade when judged against its original 'JSF' (Joint Strike Fighter) project goals. By the way, I happen to be a fan of the X-32.
First of all, the X-32 is just incredibly cool; I absolutely love its aesthetics. Second, it has a very flat belly, and the forward-projecting chin intake provides better radar shielding for the lower aspect compared to the X-35. Third, the design concept was radical—and I love radical concepts. The F-35, by comparison, is just pathetic—it looks like a jar of pickled cucumbers that nobody wants.
Because he's not just evaluating airplanes…… He evaluates electric vehicles too. I just went to war with him in an EV thread. He's a Howard Hughes + Elon Musk style polymath — he could build a Mark I in his garage. As long as it lets him unleash his fury, he'll become an expert in any field. Please don't discriminate against a giant of thought who is misunderstood by the world.
If someone can't even grasp the basic principles of electric vehicles, how on earth can they understand aircraft? What bizarre logic. It is one thing to have never touched an airplane, but if someone hasn't even mastered the fundamental laws of automotive physics, that is truly pathetic.
