US Navy 6th Gen Fighter - F/A-XX

Low IQ Techie said:
No at all. Enemy would have its own BVR tactics. After BVR AAMs get depleted, as per 6gen characteristics, in close combat, LOAL CCMs, MSDMs & DEW-CIWS would be used.
I think in era of digital media, these ads are just to tease citizens, produce suspense, excitement, chatter & publicity.
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So Northrop Grumman's fighter jets... weren't what I expected.
 
dark sidius said:
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Mysterious ‘Dorito-Shaped’ Aircraft Spotted at Night Near Area 51

A nighttime thermal image captured during flight activity involving a B-2 Spirit shows a sharply triangular aircraft that resembles an unexplained
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Don't you think this Dorito could be some sort of FA/XX Demonstrator ?
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It’s not.

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I’ll give everyone a hint: there are some images that help identify the shape of the the FA-XX, but as far as I’ve seen, no one has realized that’s what the images were portraying.
 
wtna7 said:
So Northrop Grumman's fighter jets... weren't what I expected.
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wtna7 said:
Chris Hernandez, a former executive at Northrop Grumman, is holding a model of a B-21 Raider strategic bomber. Look at the bottom right corner…View attachment 809834
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When +ve high AoA is created, the intake/jet is facing up while the movement is in ventral angle.
So any super agile jet which intends to tumble with ninja moves, enjoy flat spins as fun, like these TVC jets, need to have the intake cut at angle, how do i put it in words, the portruding tip will be of upper part, like in many jets like F-14/15/22, Su-27/3X/57, etc so that air can be scooped in.
Although, experimentally, other jets with vertical cut intakes have also demonstrated super agility like F-16 MATV, F-18 HAARV, etc.
But if the intake cut is reverse like in F-117 then agility is limited.
As per 6gen characteristics, super agility may not be be needed but TVC may be needed to supplement control authority. Hence if F/A-XX or any other 6gen jet is fine with low AoA then perhaps F-117 like intakes would do.
This is my limited understanding.
 
Low IQ Techie said:
When +ve high AoA is created, the intake/jet is facing up while the movement is in ventral angle.
So any super agile jet which intends to tumble with ninja moves, enjoy flat spins as fun, like these TVC jets, need to have the intake cut at angle, how do i put it in words, the portruding tip will be of upper part, like in many jets like F-14/15/22, Su-27/3X/57, etc so that air can be scooped in.
Although, experimentally, other jets with vertical cut intakes have also demonstrated super agility like F-16 MATV, F-18 HAARV, etc.
But if the intake cut is reverse like in F-117 then agility is limited.
As per 6gen characteristics, super agility may not be be needed but TVC may be needed to supplement control authority. Hence if F/A-XX or any other 6gen jet is fine with low AoA then perhaps F-117 like intakes would do.
This is my limited understanding.
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Passive porosity and suction effectors has been shown to assist in overcoming this issue.
 
Noads22 said:
It’s not.

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I’ll give everyone a hint: there are some images that help identify the shape of the the FA-XX, but as far as I’ve seen, no one has realized that’s what the images were portraying.
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Reviewing your post history and the cryptic clues, this is my take.

Since NG dropped out of NGAD (more traditional USAF fighter design) to focus on B-21 and F/A-XX, their new proposed carrier jet will resemble a medium bomber. It will be very long range (at subsonic speeds) but it can fly faster than a stealth bomber at supersonic speeds using adaptive cycle engines. It carries a fighter size weapons bay and will be moderately stealthy (not as extreme as B-21/F-47)

So if you've seen the X-47B UCAV (built by NG), this will be a closely related manned version. It will operate alongside cheaper drone wingmen, USN predicts two thirds of their future carrier air wing will be unmanned. Thus their manned jets will be high end expensive platforms like a manned X-47B.
 
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Low IQ Techie said:
No at all. Enemy would have its own BVR tactics. After BVR AAMs get depleted, as per 6gen characteristics, in close combat, LOAL CCMs, MSDMs & DEW-CIWS would be used.
I think in era of digital media, these ads are just to tease citizens, produce suspense, excitement, chatter & publicity.
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The important capabilities of US "6th Gen" fighters have not been discussed or reported by the press yet, even though most of them have been in the public domain for years. It's safe to say that "6gen characteristics" of US fighters will be significantly different than what has been discussed and different from what other countries may be doing.
 
quellish said:
The important capabilities of US "6th Gen" fighters have not been discussed or reported by the press yet, even though most of them have been in the public domain for years. It's safe to say that "6gen characteristics" of US fighters will be significantly different than what has been discussed and different from what other countries may be doing.
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I mean whatever outline is floating on internet so far, like DEW-CIWS, MSDM, AI, PCA-CCA MUMT, more fuel/range, more payload, better stealth, better avionics with C3, etc.
Beyond BVR, the only way to defeat ninja jets like F-22, Su-57 are MSDM, DEW-CIWS.
In my limited understanding, a gen leap takes place when new airframe is needed, the older one's MLU also won't suffice for long.
 
Is the USN planning to have their own version of Penetrating EA or are they going to wrap it all into a single bird? I don't think I've seen anything regarding that yet, not to say they have to mirror USAF efforts 1 for 1 but I'd imagine dedicated EA would be nice to have for their strike mission.
 
quellish said:
The important capabilities of US "6th Gen" fighters have not been discussed or reported by the press yet, even though most of them have been in the public domain for years. It's safe to say that "6gen characteristics" of US fighters will be significantly different than what has been discussed and different from what other countries may be doing.
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This is what keeps it exciting, isn't it?
Boring will be the day when the next generation will be just more stealth, more size, more range, more power.
 
FlyGuy369 said:
Passive porosity and suction effectors has been shown to assist in overcoming this issue.
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Something like 'flipped YF-23' ? as long as intake is not fully behind, but close enough and some additional louvre type intake (for carrier approach and maneuver..)
 

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doolyii said:
Something like 'flipped YF-23' ? as long as intake is not fully behind, but close enough and some additional louvre type intake (for carrier approach and maneuver..)
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Not exactly, intake yes, but with "pores" that pull the air down onto the aircraft during high alpha situations where separation may occur.
 
In_A_Dream said:
Is the USN planning to have their own version of Penetrating EA or are they going to wrap it all into a single bird? I don't think I've seen anything regarding that yet, not to say they have to mirror USAF efforts 1 for 1 but I'd imagine dedicated EA would be nice to have for their strike mission.
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Penetrating EA seems to be getting offloaded to CCAs, at least in the studies and planning docs.
 
FlyGuy369 said:
Not exactly, intake yes, but with "pores" that pull the air down onto the aircraft during high alpha situations where separation may occur.
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No pore stuff, just location (just imagine flipping tail (or no tail), and some SU-27 type louvre intake under for high AOA approach or maneuver.
 
Noads22 said:
It’s not.

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I’ll give everyone a hint: there are some images that help identify the shape of the the FA-XX, but as far as I’ve seen, no one has realized that’s what the images were portraying.
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Is this just speculation or does it refer to some sort of established practice? Or do you have it on good authority? Would this not be an intelligence bonanza for US adversaries?
 
djj said:
Is this just speculation or does it refer to some sort of established practice? Or do you have it on good authority? Would this not be an intelligence bonanza for US adversaries?
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Not speculation. The whole shape was not shown. They just point you in the right direction.
 
The additional question is whether we will actually see an aircraft, even an accurate rendered form, at contract announcement or like F-47 just be given a vague reference.
 
Well, we weren't given to see the F-117 for years (think Italieri).
Unless you are a tropical fish in a lagoon of a remote pacific Island, don't expect much.
 
TomcatViP said:
Well, we weren't given to see the F-117 for years (think Italieri).
Unless you are a tropical fish in a lagoon of a remote pacific Island, don't expect much.
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F-117 was a black program from the start though, F/A-XX may have started that way but if/once contract award happens should be very far down the way of the actual airframe being defined, especially if @Noads22 is accurate and truthful. We did have to wait years for the B-21 and probably NGAD as well but certainly isn't like the YF-22/23 and X-32/35 days where the public see the X-planes flying and testing.
 
Ozair said:
F-117 was a black program from the start though, F/A-XX may have started that way but if/once contract award happens should be very far down the way of the actual airframe being defined, especially if @Noads22 is accurate and truthful. We did have to wait years for the B-21 and probably NGAD as well but certainly isn't like the YF-22/23 and X-32/35 days where the public see the X-planes flying and testing.
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You can tell I’m being truthful because I’m not saying anything that would get me in trouble haha.
 
Ozair said:
F-117 was a black program from the start though, F/A-XX may have started that way but if/once contract award happens should be very far down the way of the actual airframe being defined, especially if @Noads22 is accurate and truthful. We did have to wait years for the B-21 and probably NGAD as well but certainly isn't like the YF-22/23 and X-32/35 days where the public see the X-planes flying and testing.
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Both the demonstrator and the prototype will be equipped with aircraft from the "X" series.
 
Noads22 said:
You can tell I’m being truthful because I’m not saying anything that would get me in trouble haha.
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You're also being vague enough that once it is revealed you can claim I told you so and no one would be able to contradict.. ;)
wtna7 said:
Both the demonstrator and the prototype will be equipped with aircraft from the "X" series.
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I don't understand what you mean?
 

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