Unbuilt Architecture and City Plans

[Michel Van]

Any airport in that area would have to contend with mudflats, bird sanctuaries and the wreck of the SS Richard Montgomery. Perhaps it would make more sense to increase capacity at Gatwick and Luton or maybe move cargo traffic away from Heathrow

end of 1960s they look into option to build Airport and Harbor there
ARCHIGRAM made study for buildings in area, but in there wild way...

...Hedgerow and Crater City for 16000 people

 

[PMN1]

end of 1960s they look into option to build Airport and Harbor there
ARCHIGRAM made study for buildings in area, but in there wild way...

...Hedgerow and Crater City for 16000 people

Nothing like Racoon City at all........

 

[Jason Dykstra (Wyvern)]

Why are the mudflats a problem? Subsidence?

Yes, it would likely be prohibitively expensive to strengthen the ground in that area.

 

[exclaimedleech8]

Yes, it would likely be prohibitively expensive to strengthen the ground in that area.

Only in Britain.

 

[Michel Van]

This is ECO POLIS by Kiyonori Kikutake
his proposal is for Japan limited living space.

A superstructure is build over Streets~highways or railway
Families can buy a plot of land on Superstructure and build there dream home on it.
Since they have Street or Rail under it, makes easy access to transport
bonus if additional Monorail is part of Superstructure (Japan is one of few nations that has working Monorail systems !)

 

[exclaimedleech8]

bonus if additional Monorail is part of Superstructure (Japan is one of few nations that has working Monorail systems !)

By gum it put them on the map

 

[exclaimedleech8]

We are really overdue for a breakthrough in structural materials. Everything we have now is inadequate for our architectural dreams

 

[Michel Van]

We are really overdue for a breakthrough in structural materials.

The Matter is cost...
There were 1970s studies for very large building from composite graphite
next issue to build with that in several kilometer/miles high,
Were cost of several billions dollars to produce the material and assembly it

Steel and concrete is far cheaper

 

[Michel Van]

By gum it put them on the map

check our Monorails section in this Forum

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/monorails.32982/

 

[Scott Kenny]

Why are the mudflats a problem? Subsidence?

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In keeping with the tradition of selling Florida swampland to unsuspecting marks as prime real estate, Dade County wanted to build a jetport in the middle of the Everglades.

That was honestly kinda brilliant. Put the big loud jets well away from the people were living, and ran a train line to downtown Miami.

Also, note that the jetport was intended for the extra loud SSTs planned in the mid-late 1960s.

 

[Jason Dykstra (Wyvern)]

This is ECO POLIS by Kiyonori Kikutake
his proposal is for Japan limited living space.

A superstructure is build over Streets~highways or railway
Families can buy a plot of land on Superstructure and build there dream home on it.
Since they have Street or Rail under it, makes easy access to transport
bonus if additional Monorail is part of Superstructure (Japan is one of few nations that has working Monorail systems !)

Reminds me of the New York Expressway proposals I happened to run into today. I wonder how the designers would have dealt with noise and vibration; I can hardly imagine that a building built over a trainline or highway would to anything except magnify the sound

 

[Michel Van]

the New York Expressway proposals

that was Architectural Monster
ram a high way true hearth of Manhattan and cover it with brutalist Mega Buildings

 

[alberchico]

If you think ramming a highway cutting through Manhattan was brutal, imagine if this monstrosity had been built.

What if the West Side Airport had been built?

Imagine if the entire stretch of Manhattan from West 34th Street to West 79th Street from Broadway to the Hudson River was an enormous airport runway. It could have happened in 1946—if flamboyant r…

ephemeralnewyork.wordpress.com

 

[alberchico]

Edit: repeat post

 

[chimeric oncogene]

I can hardly imagine that a building built over a trainline or highway would to anything except magnify the sound

It depends on the design, but it is usually quite tolerable with appropriate soundproofing and noise barriers.

 

[Scott Kenny]

Reminds me of the New York Expressway proposals I happened to run into today. I wonder how the designers would have dealt with noise and vibration; I can hardly imagine that a building built over a trainline or highway would to anything except magnify the sound

Proper design makes it a lot easier to deal with the noise and vibrations. Basically putting the highway (or rails) on one earthquake mount and the buildings on a separate mount, plus adding sound tiles around the roads.

 

[Nicknick]

Reminds me of the New York Expressway proposals I happened to run into today. I wonder how the designers would have dealt with noise and vibration; I can hardly imagine that a building built over a trainline or highway would to anything except magnify the sound

It is doable, nowadays, the fire proving is the most demanding aspect.

take a look:

Durch dieses Haus fahren Güterzüge – direkt darüber leben Menschen

Es ist ein ungewöhnlicher Anblick: Ein Bahngleis, das durch mehrere Gebäude in Köln führt. Täglich fahren hier Güterzüge – direkt neben Wohnungen.

www.24rhein.de

 

[exclaimedleech8]

that was Architectural Monster
ram a high way true hearth of Manhattan and cover it with brutalist Mega Buildings

Maybe I'm just carbrained, but I think that looks awesome. It's like Bladerunner. It should be noted that all those buildings were really just a way to stimulate creative thought, not a serious plan

 

[southwestforests]

I wonder how the designers would have dealt with noise and vibration; I can hardly imagine that a building built over a trainline or highway would to anything except magnify the sound

My question is about dealing with the fumes from internal combustion powered vehicles on the highway.

 

[exclaimedleech8]

Here in Phoenix, this was the proposed design for the Papago Freeway near Downtown. It was called the helicoil and people immediately hated it


Instead they went with this less exciting-but-definitely-quieter and probably less expensive cut and cover tunnel

 

[Grey Havoc]

There was a time when personal aircraft for everyone seemed possible.

And London had quite a few plans for airports that would support it.

This video looks at some of those (Thames airport, Kings Cross, Skyport One, Charing Cross Heliport) and visualises London if we went down that fork in the road.

Video has been set to private for some reason (yet more bot shenanigans perhaps?).
In case it comes back under a separate link, the title was 'The Future That Never Flew: when the personal flyer could have changed everything', as mentioned in the Facebook post linked below:

London Past and Present | London thames airport | Facebook

London thames airport. Concept from 1930s. Visualised in video below.

www.facebook.com

 

[Jason Dykstra (Wyvern)]

and cover it with brutalist Mega Buildings

In fairness to the designers for this projects, their designs are a lot more aesthetically pleasing than many other Brutalist pieces, at least to my eyes

My question is about dealing with the fumes from internal combustion powered vehicles on the highway

I would assume some sort of ventilation system, either natural or mechanical can be designed into the system, but I would think that that would just add to the noise.

 

[Scott Kenny]

My question is about dealing with the fumes from internal combustion powered vehicles on the highway.

If we're talking small tunnels, just the movement of cars creates a wind that will push the fumes out.

 

[Nicknick]

My question is about dealing with the fumes from internal combustion powered vehicles on the highway.

With the current emission standards, I would worry more about the emissions from lawn mover, cigarettes or barbeques.

 

[Scott Kenny]

With the current emission standards, I would worry more about the emissions from lawn mover, cigarettes or barbeques.

The low oxygen would still be an issue, if the moving cars weren't acting as air pumps.

Oh, right.

You do need to have separated movement directions, though. Any given "tunnel" only has traffic flowing one direction.

 

[Nicknick]

Long before low oxygen becomes in issue, the body will feel high CO2 levels. Nevertheless, tunnels are not uncommon and traditionally the CO emissions were critical and the CO2 emissions had no significant effect on the drivers (I don't want to start a discussion about CO2 effects...).

 

[chimeric oncogene]

Also you will build in ventilation systems or giant holes; this is a building, not a tunnel.

 

[Michel Van]

here Video about how high can we build ?
include unbuild Proposals

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DaEmvKWsEA

 

[Nicknick]

Also you will build in ventilation systems or giant holes; this is a building, not a tunnel.

Than it would become way too noisy!

 

[Brett Davidson]

'Unbuilt' in this case refers to bases on other worlds. The parallels with Arctic and Antarctic bases are obvious - isolation, hostile environment, self-sufficiency, psychological factors, on-site assembly of prefab components, long supply chains and brief, widely-spaced windows of opportunity for construction and supply. ESA does in fact use Italy's Concordia base in Antarctica to conduct studies for Mars bases. These bases show a variety of solutions.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjjznf_1R9A

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWcf1jYUUxc

 

[Michel Van]

Oscar Newman 1969 proposal for Nuke-proof underground city below Manhattan,
don't ask about the cost

 

[Brett Davidson]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvHBvm9JIcc

 

[martinbayer]

Metropolis/city/town/suburb/village/hamlet planning, if any, has to be organic, decentralized, and redundant, i.e. the opposite of NEOM.

 

[Graham1973]

A video covering the convoluted process of design that led from Route 'D' to the Victoria Line.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObWO0SscXHs

 

[Nik]

"This is ECO POLIS by Kiyonori Kikutake"

Deja-vu...
Been a while, probably late 1960s, but I seem to remember a German version, to be as vast as Saudi 'Line', with a full-blown autobahn on the roof...

Disclosure: My home city had a lucky escape. E/W M_62 was supposed to burrow through ridge beneath existing suburban ring-road, run to a new inner ring road around city centre. It would also connect to the newer Mersey tunnel. There were tentative plans to use said 'Inner Ring Road' for 'Grand Prix'. Queue remarkable outbreak of planning blight...
Happens the 'Mersey Mole', to be re-purposed after river crossing's second bore, 'wore out', was discreetly buried 'in place' and the motorway still ends at the outer ring-road...
But, but, there are notions afoot to 'Cut & Cover' a non-motorway-grade extension through that ridge...

 

[Michel Van]

This Proposal to make the ugliest Building in Paris into some thing more "ascetic"
sadly the project is in Development hell almost 10 years...

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68JUxRH8AZo

 

[exclaimedleech8]

"This is ECO POLIS by Kiyonori Kikutake"

Deja-vu...
Been a while, probably late 1960s, but I seem to remember a German version, to be as vast as Saudi 'Line', with a full-blown autobahn on the roof...

Disclosure: My home city had a lucky escape. E/W M_62 was supposed to burrow through ridge beneath existing suburban ring-road, run to a new inner ring road around city centre. It would also connect to the newer Mersey tunnel. There were tentative plans to use said 'Inner Ring Road' for 'Grand Prix'. Queue remarkable outbreak of planning blight...
Happens the 'Mersey Mole', to be re-purposed after river crossing's second bore, 'wore out', was discreetly buried 'in place' and the motorway still ends at the outer ring-road...
But, but, there are notions afoot to 'Cut & Cover' a non-motorway-grade extension through that ridge...

"lucky escape"?

 

[chimeric oncogene]

Planning the Village of Woodbridge in the City of Irvine — TRANSFORMING THE IRVINE RANCH

The Village of Woodbridge is a 2.65 square mile portion of the Irvine Ranch located in the City of Irvine. It was planned by the Irvine Company in the early 1970s and the grand opening took place in June 1976. Here are images, many of which were created by the SWA Group , to present the site planni

thebigplanbook.com

Fairly impressive documents describing Woodbridge, Irvine, CA.

 

[martinbayer]

This Proposal to make the ugliest Building in Paris into some thing more "ascetic"
sadly the project is in Development hell almost 10 years...

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68JUxRH8AZo

I have no idea whatsoever what "ascetic" means in this (or, for that matter, any, really) context, but maybe just put a themed condom over it, no?

 

[martinbayer]

Planning the Village of Woodbridge in the City of Irvine — TRANSFORMING THE IRVINE RANCH

The Village of Woodbridge is a 2.65 square mile portion of the Irvine Ranch located in the City of Irvine. It was planned by the Irvine Company in the early 1970s and the grand opening took place in June 1976. Here are images, many of which were created by the SWA Group , to present the site planni

thebigplanbook.com

Fairly impressive documents describing Woodbridge, Irvine, CA.

Since I live just one town over in Lake Forest, CA, locally Irvine has a vague elitist/snobbish/Stepford Wives kind of a community reputation.