Lockheed Martin AGM-179 JAGM

NMaude said:
(IIRC a ground-launched version of an air-launched weapon has only about one-third the range of the air-launched version)?
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It's very heavily dependent on what altitude and speed you launch it at. If you boot it out of a hovering Apache at 100ft AGL, then it's going to have much the same performance as a ground-launched missile.
 
NMaude said:
(IIRC a ground-launched version of an air-launched weapon has only about one-third the range of the air-launched version)?
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That really only applies for fast-jet weapons. Like Chaparral/Sidewinder or NASAMS/SLAMRAAM.

Helicopter weapons still seem to range from zero airspeed and maybe 100ft AGL.
 
Scott Kenny said:
That really only applies for fast-jet weapons. Like Chaparral/Sidewinder or NASAMS/SLAMRAAM.

Helicopter weapons still seem to range from zero airspeed and maybe 100ft AGL.
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Good points but with VL configuration there's going to be some energy expended pitching over to transition from vertical flight to horizontal flight.
 
NMaude said:
Good points but with VL configuration there's going to be some energy expended pitching over to transition from vertical flight to horizontal flight.
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Depends on how quickly you need it to tip over. If you can let it climb a thousand feet and let the wings tip it over, you shouldn't lose much range.

It's not like these are point-defense SAMs that need to tip over as soon as the missile clears the tube to engage sea-skimmers.
 
Scott Kenny said:
Depends on how quickly you need it to tip over. If you can let it climb a thousand feet and let the wings tip it over, you shouldn't lose much range.
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Good points but also having a launch-booster in that case would mean extended range.
 
NMaude said:
Good points but also having a launch-booster in that case would mean extended range.
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It's already a fairly high vehicle, if you add a booster you're going to increase the height further, pushing the CofG up, making it harder to keep hull-down and more unstable on rough terrain.
 
DWG said:
It's already a fairly high vehicle, if you add a booster you're going to increase the height further, pushing the CofG up, making it harder to keep hull-down and more unstable on rough terrain.
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I was actually thinking of shipboard Mk-41s not land based VLAs, there's more vertical room in the hull of a destroyer or frigate.
 

Fuchs JAGM Tank Destroyer Packs 24 Missiles Into A Single Vehicle​

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Fuchs JAGM Tank Destroyer Packs 24 Missiles Into A Single Vehicle

Armed with JAGM or Hellfire missiles, the new version of the Fuchs armored personnel carrier reflects renewed interest in anti-armor platforms. Armed with JAGM or Hellfire missiles, the new version of the Fuchs armored personnel carrier reflects renewed interest in anti-armor platforms.
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Lockheed live-fires new vertical-launch JAGM for naval counter-drone role​

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Lockheed testing vertical-launch JAGM to counter drones

The Joint Air-to-Ground Missile quad launcher could help the defense giant break into the counter-drone market, particularly for naval uses.
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Lockheed Martin Tests JAGM Quad Launch Canister System​

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Lockheed Martin Tests JAGM Quad Launch Canister System - Naval News

Lockheed Martin tested its JAGM Quad Launcher (JQL) in a test late August using a government furnished Joint Air-Ground Missile (JAGM) against a target tank at the Yuma Proving Ground.
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Forest Green said:

Lockheed live-fires new vertical-launch JAGM for naval counter-drone role​

breakingdefense.com

Lockheed testing vertical-launch JAGM to counter drones

The Joint Air-to-Ground Missile quad launcher could help the defense giant break into the counter-drone market, particularly for naval uses.
breakingdefense.com breakingdefense.com

Lockheed Martin Tests JAGM Quad Launch Canister System​

www.navalnews.com

Lockheed Martin Tests JAGM Quad Launch Canister System - Naval News

Lockheed Martin tested its JAGM Quad Launcher (JQL) in a test late August using a government furnished Joint Air-Ground Missile (JAGM) against a target tank at the Yuma Proving Ground.
www.navalnews.com www.navalnews.com
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If JAGM is effective in taking out UAVs and USVs as well as damaging larger vessels, it should prove popular.

Vessels as small as Coast Guard FRCs would benefit from the capability.

So far, JAGM's effectiveness against UAVs seem more theoretical than tested.

Let's see how the testing pans out.
 
I thought this type of launcher was already in service.

"From 2014 onwards, the U.S. Navy evaluated the use of a ship-based version of the AGM-114L from launchers on its Littoral Combat Ship (LCS) vessels. The Hellfire system for LCS is known as SSMM (Surface-to-Surface Missile Modules), and can hold 24 RGM-114L missiles in vertical launchers. After successful test firings in 2017, the system was first deployed on USS Detroit (LCS-7) in late 2019."

This was TEN years ago:

 
TomcatViP said:
I fail to understand why you would want such mount on a ground vehicle (think height restriction in urban area, impaired turret travel and vehicle's CG height):

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How curious?!
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Interestingly, the image published along with this article about a "vertical" launch is distinctly non-vertical.

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On a test platform perhaps TomS? Though I would like to see the JAGM be launched vertically instead.
 
Thanks for that TomS, I had wondered about why they would be testing the JAGM like that.
 
TomcatViP said:
I fail to understand why you would want such mount on a ground vehicle (think height restriction in urban area, impaired turret travel and vehicle's CG height):

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If you're doing C-UAS defence, there's no guarantee the next drone you need to engage is going to be detected in front of you, particularly if someone's hunting you with an FPV drone and taking advantage of cover to close on you from an unexpected direction . Being able to engage in a 360 degree arc makes you a lot less vulnerable than having a forward-facing launcher and the target popping up behind you.
 
TomcatViP said:
I fail to understand why you would want such mount on a ground vehicle (think height restriction in urban area, impaired turret travel and vehicle's CG height):
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It's about giving grunts a means of support fire without having to call-in and wait for gunships.
And since drones are driving helicopters away now, the role has become more necessary than before.
Although, I think JAGM is outdated, oversized for today, costly and not sufficient range and utility. It can't compete with drones here.
It's not necessarily more powerful when drones can drop cannon shells etc. It's just better designed for anti-armor and has a speed advantage.
 
DWG said:
If you're doing C-UAS defence, there's no guarantee the next drone you need to engage is going to be detected in front of you, particularly if someone's hunting you with an FPV drone and taking advantage of cover to close on you from an unexpected direction . Being able to engage in a 360 degree arc makes you a lot less vulnerable than having a forward-facing launcher and the target popping up behind you.
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yes yes but when one thing turn your vehicle into a lemon, is that an advantage? With electrification, a rotating turret can be raised fairly quickly to the same vertical position (or with a slight slant into the interception axis). I am also concerned with the longevity of the encapsuled missiles in that position with all the bumps on the road inducing aggravated vibrations.
 
I would think that the missile will be well supported inside the capsule TomcatVIP, just in case anything like that would happen out on the roads.
 
FighterJock said:
I would think that the missile will be well supported inside the capsule TomcatVIP, just in case anything like that would happen out on the roads.
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Hellfire was pulled from the Sgt Stout specifically because it had longevity issues. That was un-encapsulated, but the Hellfire VLS is just a box around a standard single rail IIRC.
 
TomcatViP said:
yes yes but when one thing turn your vehicle into a lemon, is that an advantage?
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That looks to be an M-ATV, if you check the Oshkosh M-ATV article on wiki you'll find plenty of other MATV configurations that are just as high, and just as dependent on high-mounted sensors etc that limit turret arcs. It looks like M-LIDS is substantially higher than this is.

TomcatViP said:
I am also concerned with the longevity of the encapsuled missiles in that position with all the bumps on the road inducing aggravated vibrations.
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That's a reasonable point considering what happened with Hellfire on the Sgt Stout.
 
It is difficult when hearing aboit JAGM not to continue repeating the SPEAR 3 mantra of old. JAGM has been born obsolete too many times.
 
NMaude said:
Sgt Stout?
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M1265A1 Sgt Stout M-SHORAD variant of the Stryker, originally fielded with one Hellfire pod and one Stinger pod on the Stinger Vehicle Universal Launcher, but the Hellfires had problems, so it now operates with two Stinger pods.
 
DWG said:
M1265A1 Sgt Stout M-SHORAD variant of the Stryker, originally fielded with one Hellfire pod and one Stinger pod on the Stinger Vehicle Universal Launcher, but the Hellfires had problems, so it now operates with two Stinger pods.
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I do not think all units have been updated yet but presumably that is in the works.
 

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