Boeing 737 Development Concepts

[hesham]

Hi,

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2006/02/07/204505/the-737-story-little-wonder.html

 

[hesham]

Hi,

I found that book in google search and I found a strange info
about the two Boeing-737 configurations,I know they spoke
after that about the Sud Aviation Carrvelle,but notice the hint
under the drawing;

http://books.google.com.eg/books?id=NG2_qiSjmMEC&pg=PA418&dq=aircraft+design++2&lr=&num=100&as_brr=3&cd=6#v=onepage&q=aircraft%20design%20%202&f=true

Also I found on the pages 10 to 14,the M-184 jet airliner,and
I can't ID this aircraft.

 

[Steve Pace]

Could the M-plane be from Martin?

 

[Stargazer]

Could the M-plane be from Martin?

Definitely not in that timespan! (Martin's Model 184 was a 1944 project).
Besides, Martin never used the M- as a prefix, that was a mistake from magazines and historians!

M-184 seems like a Fairchild designation... and probably is, too. Other Fairchild projects of the same era were the M-185, M-186 and M-225.

Hesham, if you can post a picture of that M-184, we can see if it holds any commonality with the other Fairchild designs.

 

[Triton]

Model of Boeing 737 concept at the Boeing Archives.

From the picture caption on Flickr:

Boeing looked at making a rear engined 737.

Source:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/airlinereporter/4956930739/in/set-72157624753056369/

 

[bucky74]

It kills me that all those models are stacked in a storeroom...

 

[Orionblamblam]

Realistically - and historically - the alternative would be to either throw them out or destroy them. It's rare for an American aerospace company to give a damn about keeping such things.

 

[bucky74]

True - you only have so much space. Wish I could get a job dusting that room.

 

[Triton]

Model of Boeing 737 concept located at the Boeing Archives Bellevue, Washington.

Source:
http://airchive.com/html/museums/boeing-archives-bellevue-washington-usa/boeing-737-rear-twin-engine-development-model-mid-1960s/19073

 

[Triton]

Model of Boeing 737-200 concept located at the Boeing Archives Bellevue, Washington.

Source:
http://airchive.com/html/museums/boeing-archives-bellevue-washington-usa/boeing-737-200-overwing-engine-model-at-boeing-archive-mid-1960s/19078

 

[Maveric]

Nice find, Triton.

 

[Jemiba]

Strange coincidence, that the nose of the version with the rear mounted engines looks much closer
to the much later "Boeing 717", although the fuselage diameter seems to have been the same for
all versions.

(blowup of the nose comes from a photo from http://www.sxf-spotterlempio.de/Diafundus.htm )

 

[Triton]

Boeing 717 as in the re-branded McDonnell Douglas MD-95? Or are you referring to another Boeing 717?

 

[Jemiba]

Boeing 717 as in the re-branded McDonnell Douglas MD-95? Or are you referring to another Boeing 717?

No, I meant the MD-95, or actually the "DC 9", as shown in the lower part of the photo.

 

[Sentinel Chicken]

Didn't know such models still existed, the forward/overwing nacelle configuration is new to me. There's a past issue from Air International that has pictures and line drawings of the design evolution. Gonna have to go digging in the library for those.

The rear-engined T-tail version I believe is an early design study for five-abreast seating before Jack Steiner went for six-abreast seating to use the 707 fuselage cross-section/nose for two reasons- to save on development costs and time because Douglas was two years ahead of Boeing on the DC-9 and Steiner (with Joe Sutter's help) had determined that six-abreast seating offered better operational costs.

When they switched over to a six-abreast fuselage, the rear engined placement became more problematic. The model in the back left of the first shot *might* be one of the rear-engined six-abreast designs with a low set tailplane.

 

[TomcatViP]

Electric driven nose wheel

To help speed things up, Stirling Dynamics has contracted with WheelTug to design a new nose wheel for Boeing's 737NG jet airliner. The new wheel will contain electric motors powered by the aircraft's Auxiliary Power Unit (APU)

 

[TsrJoe]

Boeing 737-100 in USAF Military Airlift Command livery (but never ordered for MAC, only as CT-43), scale 1/100 (source: P. LaCicero). Made in the mid 1960s from resin, by Precise Models?

aviation.watergeek.eu/topping_inc.html

 

[hesham]

Nice find my dear TsrJoe.

 

[Grey Havoc]

With regards as to the 737-200, looks like it will be with us for a while yet, especially our Canadian friends:

 

[kitnut617]

Flew on one of those to a diamond mine which is near the Arctic Circle a few years ago. We landed and took off on a gravel runway. You can see the 'gravel kit' in the picture above. You actually see more of the -200's converted as freighters up there.

OOPs, should have watched the video first. Four of those airlines shown I used to see at YYC (Calgary International) when I worked there (up to November 2018) and I've seen most of the -200s too

 

[Grey Havoc]

 

[Foo Fighter]

That explanation is at least 9 minutes too long but he does love his own voice. ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[taildragger]

Here's a brochure produced fairly late in the development of the world's most successful jetliner 737-100 showing a different aft fuselage profile. Since the 707, all Boeing jetliners (the 727 doesn't count) have had a similar upswept rear fuselage, but this drawing shows that this wasn't always a given. It seems kind of dumpy-looking in this configuration and I think that the final shape is an aesthetic improvement. I wonder if this was a purely engineering-driven change or if someone insisted on more of a family resemblance for marketing reasons.

 

[sgeorges4]

this articl has a verry interesting brochure on the 737 200 from 1965 showing its different configuration and describing it (i'll use it as the basis for my airfix 200 I'll get for my birthday, will do it in the ansett livery) http://theairchive.net/boeing-memorabilia/

 

[Grey Havoc]

The oldest passenger planes still in the sky

How would you feel about flying in a plane built 50 years ago? We go in search of aviation’s most venerable birds

www.telegraph.co.uk

Would you feel uneasy flying on a plane built in 1974? Harold Wilson was enjoying his second stint in Number 10, the band Queen was in its pomp, man’s first small step on the surface of the moon was still relatively fresh in the memory. And 1974 was also the year that a Boeing 737-200, with the serial number 20836, made its maiden flight for Transavia Airlines, based in the Netherlands.

Forty-eight years on, Harold Wilson has shuffled off this mortal coil, as has Freddie, while Nasa is hoping to start a colony on Mars. But 20836 is still going strong in the services of Nolinor Aviation, a Canadian charter airline, under the registration C-GNLK.

Its journey from Holland to Quebec has been a circuitous one, covering five continents. After leaving the low-cost Dutch airline in 1977 it went to Saudia, then Aerolineas Argentinas. Next up was the now-defunct Australian Airlines, followed by Air Florida, another former carrier. MarkAir, based in Alaska (also deceased), came next, before a stint as a cargo plane. In 2004, it went to Peru. In 2006, it was bought by the short-lived Italian airline Voliamo. In 2008, CityLine Hungary – which ceased trading in 2015 – snapped up the well travelled 737.

Since 2014, however, it has been in the services of little Nolinor Aviation, based in Mirabel, a suburb of Montreal, which serves a handful of domestic destinations using a fleet of 18 aircraft. At 48 years, it is, according to the database of Airfleets.net, the world’s oldest passenger plane still in service.

 

[Richard N]

You might also ask those flying on DC-3s or B-52s. As long as they have been properly maintained and upgraded, it is not an unmanageable problem.

 

[iverson]

You might also ask those flying on DC-3s or B-52s. As long as they have been properly maintained and upgraded, it is not an unmanageable problem.

Apples and oranges. DC-3s are not pressurized. B-52s are not utilized anywhere near as intensively as airliners, particularly short-haul airliners. A 737 goes through many more take-offs and landings and many more pressurization, depressurization cycles. So metal fatigue is more of a worry.

Old airliners cycle through a lot of marginal airlines in their old age, so consistent maintenance and inspection are less likely--anything operated by Air Florida would make me nervous, given my limited but memorable experience.

 

[Eli Rudd]

Here's a brochure produced fairly late in the development of the world's most successful jetliner 737-100 showing a different aft fuselage profile. Since the 707, all Boeing jetliners (the 727 doesn't count) have had a similar upswept rear fuselage, but this drawing shows that this wasn't always a given. It seems kind of dumpy-looking in this configuration and I think that the final shape is an aesthetic improvement. I wonder if this was a purely engineering-driven change or if someone insisted on more of a family resemblance for marketing reasons.
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This 737 side view image is amazing .
May I ask you to take photo from this side view more vertically in such a way that the outline of the 737 can be corrected ? It seems that you have taken a photo by some angle and the side view is not exactly same one in the original document .
If you scan the original document I think the right view will be obtained .
I am a scale modeller and I need the three view of this 737 100 conceptual model which is even different than the original 737 100 originally developed and flew by the Boeing company ..the angles of the aircraft in this masterpiece are very important and thats why I am asking your help to assist me to obtain the threeview
I would appreciate it should you help me .

 

[taildragger]

This 737 side view image is amazing .
May I ask you to take photo from this side view more vertically in such a way that the outline of the 737 can be corrected ? It seems that you have taken a photo by some angle and the side view is not exactly same one in the original document .
If you scan the original document I think the right view will be obtained .
I am a scale modeller and I need the three view of this 737 100 conceptual model which is even different than the original 737 100 originally developed and flew by the Boeing company ..the angles of the aircraft in this masterpiece are very important and thats why I am asking your help to assist me to obtain the threeview
I would appreciate it should you help me .

Sorry, I've recently moved and the brochure is not immediately available to me. I'll post a non-angled photo once I can, but it probably won't be soon. The photo was angled to eliminate reflections. I think Photoshop or similar software can correct for the angle.

 

[aim9xray]

Sorry, I've recently moved and the brochure is not immediately available to me. I'll post a non-angled photo once I can, but it probably won't be soon. The photo was angled to eliminate reflections. I think Photoshop or similar software can correct for the angle.

 

[isayyo2]

Boeing 737M for Military Application Brochure - October 1965

Boeing 737 Boeing 737M for Military Application Brochure Oct 1965 from La Jetée Press

Boeing 737 Boeing 737M for Military Application Brochure Oct 1965 from La Jetée Press

theairchive.net

 

[Theron]

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Hi,

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2006/02/07/204505/the-737-story-little-wonder.html

Hi Hesham ..I have a question ....?
I couldnt have found the three view image with right angle of photo capturing in the attached file .I have tried for a long time to find the document which has exactly this three view but I have failed in my endeavors .Do you know how can I find exactly this three view with a right angle ? This three view is unique and I am obsessively keen to find a copy of it .I would appreciate should you help me regarding your prossibility and favor .

 

[aim9xray]

Here is a "best guess" quick attempt at an undistorted version of the above image laid on an 8.5 x 11 inch page (accounting for the hidden area on the binding edge). That is, assuming that the page has an 8.5 inch width.

You can occasionally find Boeing Facility Planning Guides for various airliners on eBay - happy hunting!

HTH!

 

[hesham]

Hi Hesham ..I have a question ....?

Welcome aboard Theron,

and dear Aim9xray did this in previous post,and for the link,here's
again,

THE 737 STORY: Little wonder-07/02/2006-Los Angeles-Flight International

The best-selling 737 is a true record breaker, but surprisingly struggled for life in its early years. Boeing even once offered to sell it to the Japanese

web.archive.org

 

[PMN1]

If the 737 had stuck with the 5 abreast seating how successful would it have been and how long before a successor aircraft would have been needed?

 

[Theron]

Here is a "best guess" quick attempt at an undistorted version of the above image laid on an 8.5 x 11 inch page (accounting for the hidden area on the binding edge). That is, assuming that the page has an 8.5 inch width.

You can occasionally find Boeing Facility Planning Guides for various airliners on eBay - happy hunting!

HTH!

I am shocked and left speechless .How did you find it ? Do you know for how long I have been seaching and searching and searching to find this three view ? Are you a magician ?!!!! You should tell me what I should do for you in response to your favor ..I cannot believe yet it happened ...I am sure you understand why this three view is highly precious and impoetant .Boeing company made its first scale model of 737 100 masterpiece by this tree view .
You are a gem to modelers ..Only I understand what unique person you are .I should do something in response to your favor ..I am so shocked and excited that I am screaming ..

 

[Theron]

Here is a "best guess" quick attempt at an undistorted version of the above image laid on an 8.5 x 11 inch page (accounting for the hidden area on the binding edge). That is, assuming that the page has an 8.5 inch width.

You can occasionally find Boeing Facility Planning Guides for various airliners on eBay - happy hunting!

HTH!

Just see the first scale model of 737 100 made by Boeing and compare it with the threeview.Without that threeview it is impossible to make that masterpiece

Here is a "best guess" quick attempt at an undistorted version of the above image laid on an 8.5 x 11 inch page (accounting for the hidden area on the binding edge). That is, assuming that the page has an 8.5 inch width.

You can occasionally find Boeing Facility Planning Guides for various airliners on eBay - happy hunting!

HTH!

If you compare these two images,you can find out the value of the three view which you kindly shared .For ordinary people the three view is an ordinary stuff but for high precision modeler the three view is precious .
I could never reach this three view without your care and favor .
You are magnificant and I am looking forward to respond to what you have done for all the scale modelers .

 

[aim9xray]

Well! I'm overwhelmed by your gratitude, thank you. But please don't take that version of the drawing that I posted as gospel. I attempted to remove the distortion of the original image by eye; that took about five minutes of fussin' in Photoshop. However, I did not take the time to make sure that the resulting image is precisely dimensionally correct - for instance the right wing was much longer than the left in the original image - I only adjusted by using the TLAR technique ("That Looks About Right").

If you are looking to build a 1/72nd scale model of the 737-100, why not try the BPK (Big Plane Kits) model of the -100, for sale here on eBay.

 

[Theron]

Well! I'm overwhelmed by your gratitude, thank you. But please don't take that version of the drawing that I posted as gospel. I attempted to remove the distortion of the original image by eye; that took about five minutes of fussin' in Photoshop. However, I did not take the time to make sure that the resulting image is precisely dimensionally correct - for instance the right wing was much longer than the left in the original image - I only adjusted by using the TLAR technique ("That Looks About Right").

If you are looking to build a 1/72nd scale model of the 737-100, why not try the BPK (Big Plane Kits) model of the -100, for sale here on eBay.

Well! I'm overwhelmed by your gratitude, thank you. But please don't take that version of the drawing that I posted as gospel. I attempted to remove the distortion of the original image by eye; that took about five minutes of fussin' in Photoshop. However, I did not take the time to make sure that the resulting image is precisely dimensionally correct - for instance the right wing was much longer than the left in the original image - I only adjusted by using the TLAR technique ("That Looks About Right").

If you are looking to build a 1/72nd scale model of the 737-100, why not try the BPK (Big Plane Kits) model of the -100, for sale here on eBay.

I dont know how to say thanks for what you have done for me and all those crazy people like me who are passionate about 737 100 details . I know that BPK is the best and one of high quality product line on the market ,but as a matter of fact the classic solid scale models are magical and have the spirt of craftsmanship .I am sure you understand the impressions of the scale models in Boeing archive are significantly different than the impression of the models created by the injection molding .The difference is very similar to the difference between an original Persian carpet woven by hands and a Chinese carpet created by a machine .
And another interesting point, when I was checking the dimensions and angels of the three view you kindly sent me I was wondered why the sizes of the right and left horizontal stablizers are different . My unconsciousness automatically told me it is impossible that any three view created by boeing can have such a problem .I was highly confused how this could happen in Boeing company !!!!But now I understand why that asymetrical diistortion has happened ...But to me this kidly sent three view is precious more than the price of any big diamond on earth .
Thank you for what you have done for me .
I am keen to do something valuable in response to your amazing favor .Please let me know

 

[N1011N]

Hello all, I've recently purchased this 737 model, 1/60. It's nose shape and windshield appear different from the production model. Although the livery matches the 727-100 circa 1963, it's hard to know if the model is pre, or post project launch.