China 2025 Victory Day Parade (preparations, new equipment)

While incredibly cool, why would the PLA pour money into the ground forces? Given that there are no land based threats really?
 
EmoBirb said:
While incredibly cool, why would the PLA pour money into the ground forces? Given that there are no land based threats really?
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Perhaps smaller MBT that can operate better in high altitude mountainous terrain would be useful for Indian border.

Also it would be kinda hilarious for MBT to get bigger and bigger in many decades then suddenly swerve back to getting smaller.
 
thanix01 said:
Perhaps smaller MBT that can operate better in high altitude mountainous terrain would be useful for Indian border.

Also it would be kinda hilarious for MBT to get bigger and bigger in many decades then suddenly swerve back to getting smaller.
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ZTQ-15 is more than enough for the indian border, IMO this new MBT is designed with more expeditionary warfare in mind. It has modular armor with two known configs, "standard" and "heavy armor". It was also seen with different guns so likely modular turrets(?), some think this MBT could have a 105mm autocannon possibly with ETC technology.
 
yasotay said:
I suspect the Chinese government would disagree that India is not a threat. Truth be told there is another country they had a border skirmish with a few decades ago as well.
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The Indians couldn't cross over the Himalayas, no? Let alone with a numerically and technologically superior PLAAF engaging them
 
EmoBirb said:
The Indians couldn't cross over the Himalayas, no? Let alone with a numerically and technologically superior PLAAF engaging them
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Because of 'Army tradition.'
Well more accurately, China has always been a land-dominant country. Compare these two eras: the late 20th to early 21st century vs. the 1920s-1940s. Without sea power, China would be crippled; without land power, China would die.
 
If shown would this be the first 4th generation/NG MBT to enter service? This tank is rumored to be a part of a "Sino FCS" type program, we've seen IFVs and support vehicles seemingly based on the same hull, the 9.3 parade could potentially reveal even more variants.
 
Some pictures of the secretive Chinese tank....

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It is a three-person crew vehicle, equipped with a 105mm main gun and a series of newly developed ammunition, and adopts a hybrid power system. It has an unmanned turret and weighs between 30 and 40 tons. 1000014560.png
 
EmoBirb said:
While incredibly cool, why would the PLA pour money into the ground forces? Given that there are no land based threats really?
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Expeditionary forces obviously. You don't build C-17s and helicopter carriers for disaster relief. You'll need them whether your ambitions are 90 miles or 900 miles from shore.

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It is a three-person crew vehicle, equipped with a 105mm main gun and a series of newly developed ammunition, and adopts a hybrid power system. It has an unmanned turret and weighs between 30 and 40 tons.View attachment 778370
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Kat Tsun said:
Expeditionary forces obviously. You don't build C-17s and helicopter carriers for disaster relief. You'll need them whether your ambitions are 90 miles or 900 miles from shore.



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Makes sense, but I don't really see either the US or PRC do island hopping and deploy tanks on pacific islands. And outside of that I cannot think of a solid threat that would require a brand new MBT, something the Type 99 couldn't deal with currently, given that the only other next gen tank is the T-14, which is still very much stuck in the trial stage and not belonging to a country that immediate adversary to China. The M1, Leopard 2, Leclerc, Challenger 2 etc. are still very much contemporary to the Type 99 and it's upgrades. And I don't think China is seriously looking at an invasion of Japan for example.

Perhaps someone more knowledgeable than me could kindly chime in about the potential viability/need for such a vehicle during an invasion of Taiwan scenario? It's the only genuine use case I could think of.

About the rendering, it looks like a combination of the EMBT and T-14, I very much like it if it actually looks like that.
 
So much pointless and irrelevant speculation.
All the usual armchair speculation is just that, the designers and customer know what they are doing ! It is for pretty much same use as current Western equipment,plus China is a LARGE country with multiple borders (external and internal !)
The new afv is obviously to upgrade and eventually supplant existing older vehiclestocks such as T96, meanwhile adding extra capability and continuing their nanufacturing base re same.
I am pretty sure we will see an equivalent heavy MBT. in course, again supplanted then replacing earlier vehicles.
 
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1000014574.png 1000014573.png The two-person crew was a proposal in the early arguments. The layout presented in the updated paper still features a three-person crew. This can also be seen from the crew compartment of the vehicle body, which has two hatches and one periscope (the middle periscope is for the third member).
 
lijian90 said:
View attachment 778422View attachment 778423The two-person crew was a proposal in the early arguments. The layout presented in the updated paper still features a three-person crew. This can also be seen from the crew compartment of the vehicle body, which has two hatches and one periscope (the middle periscope is for the third member).
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That look less like a periscope than just a latch used to assemble the upper front plate via some kind of crane. Having no actual access for the middle crew member is a terrible design. There is also 0 verified connection between the paper and the actual vehicle. Plus most credible PLA watchers repeatedly said this vehicle will only feature two crew.
 
Tomboy said:
它看起来不像一个潜望镜，而只是一个用于通过某种起重机组装上前板的闩锁。中间船员没有实际访问权限是一个糟糕的设计。论文和实际车辆之间也有 0 经过验证的联系。此外，大多数可信的 PLA 观察员一再表示，这辆车将只有两名机组人员。
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两个舱口中间的潜望镜与舱口本身的潜望镜几乎一模一样。
 
lijian90 said:
两个舱口中间的潜望镜与舱口本身的潜望镜几乎一模一样。
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That just seems like a optical trick due to the back end of it being shadowed over. Still doesn't explain the terrible design choices if it were true.
 
Tomboy said:
That look less like a periscope than just a latch used to assemble the upper front plate via some kind of crane. Having no actual access for the middle crew member is a terrible design. There is also 0 verified connection between the paper and the actual vehicle. Plus most credible PLA watchers repeatedly said this vehicle will only feature two crew.
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To be fair the T-14 only has two hatches for 3 crew members for the crew compartment.

The only thing i have concerning the possibility between 3 crew vs 2 crew members is that the gap between the two hatches doesn't seem particularly wide.
 
See in comparison with T-14
1752985252742.png The T-14 also has a kind of thin width between hatches and Both have some kind of sight. The T-14 is known to have 3 crew members. But it superficially does seem a bit wider for the T-14. Hard to really judge.
 
1752986734040.png The Tank seems to be as wide as the ZTQ-15, or inbetween the width of the ZTQ-15 and the Type 96A
On the other hand the T-14 Armata is Wider than the t90m.

This point could also cast doubt on a 3 man crew layout, In favor of a 2 man crew. But it's not like it's impossible to fit 3 crew members in that width.
 
EmoBirb said:
While incredibly cool, why would the PLA pour money into the ground forces? Given that there are no land based threats really?
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In the history of the modern PRC, it's been involved land conflicts with India, the Soviet Union, Vietnam, and the Korean peninsula.
It still has active conflicts with India where they've poured money into developing light tanks.
As for why it may need heavier tanks, the PRC likely wants to keep parity with other other countries, as well as being prepared for future conflicts where they may need such tanks. They have the resources and capacity.

Additionally, an export variant could be popular with some countries, such as Pakistan which has imported Chinese MBTs in the past.
 
You get a military parade! And you get a military parade! Everyone gets a military parade! But seriously, are we back in the mine is bigger than yours territory after all these decades??? Enshittification is apparently a real thing, folks...
 
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mokahete said:
All of himalayas does not require light tanks, its only highest regions, or most mountainous regions where they are needed.
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Really missing the point here - in this day and age perching on frosty high altitude mountaintops is not a strategic advantage anymore...
 
martinbayer said:
Really missing the point here - in this day and age perching on frosty high altitude mountaintops is not a strategic advantage anymore...
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Unless nearly the entire border is on a high altitude platou and cross several mountain ranges.
 
Tomboy said:
Unless nearly the entire border is on a high altitude platou and cross several mountain ranges.
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Let the invaders come over breathlessly and welcome them with rested troops who didn't just have to cross a high altitude mountain range without any mechanized support...
 
SUPER=BUG said:
It is said that the tank has only two members
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About time. I've been waiting 10 years for a 2 seater tank with side by side seating. The compact seating arrangement will require less armor to provide the same level of crew protection.

A huge panoramic LCD screen in front of both crew with dozens of cameras around the tank would provide exceptional situational awareness. Side by side seating would allow better crew communication. The driver can then easily handle some of the navigation work allowing the gunner to handle the rest. The image from the gun sight and moving map can be shown on the same giant display.

If this new tank does have two crew and is still relatively large then I expect it to have class leading levels of armor. China will most likely be the first to have hybrid electric propulsion. A couple electric motors on the tracks and a single diesel generator. A reasonable sized battery and no conventional gearbox. The tank can then move a limited distance in electric only mode. Or when stationary the diesel engine can be switched off with all the systems running to reduce detectability.
 
Well, there are rumors of a heavier vehicle in development that is not based on this vehicle, so I assume proper Type 99A replacement? I guess this vehicle is meant to replace Type 096As and supplement ZTQ-15s while the heavier vehicle might be only to replace Type 99As up north hence probably limited procurement numbers.
 

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