Sukhoi Su-57 flight testing and development

Mr.T said:
Its just that propaganda puff pieces that seem mandatory posts in every MSM.
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So much this. Journalists' laziness, ignorance and the idea that they're 'doing their part' by exaggerating Ukrainian successes and Russian failures, and writing fact-free puff pieces, that can be mostly described as 'not even wrong'. This just makes me trust the media even less, well, because, they're not trustworthy. There seem seems to be this arrogant sense of superiority among journos, that us common folk can't handle the truth, and aren't allowed to form our own opinions in case they happen to be wrong. Which is kinda ironic, as they're usually not the sharpest knives in the drawer.
 
Deino said:
Care to explain? Do we have "objective numbers"? ... and yes, neither David Axe nor NOELREPORTS are truly credible "sources" on Russia's aviation news, however I rate Guy Plopsky quite credible and he lists

1 in 2020
8 in 2022
8-12 in 2023 (11 reportedly)
12 are scheduled to be delivered this year, but so far only one delivery this year is known (2-4 aircraft).
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It all depends what the numbers were supposed to be without sanctions and without the 6.2% defence budget.
 
Forest Green said:
It all depends what the numbers were supposed to be without sanctions and without the 6.2% defence budget.
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Pre-war numbers are +1 year from known deliveries. I.e. production ramp up has been consistently faster than planned.
 
Forest Green said:
It all depends what the numbers were supposed to be without sanctions and without the 6.2% defence budget.
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Original production plan was:
2019 - 1 unit
2020 - 1 unit
2021 - 4 units
2022 - 4 units
2023 - 7 units
2024 - 12 units

Current production record:
2019 - 1(lost)
2020 - 1
2021 - 3
2022 - 6
2023 - 11/12

or

2019 - 1(lost)
2020 - 1
2021 + 2022 - 8
2023 - 11/12

Both result in 20-22 units being present at the beginning of 2024.
By the original plan only 18 would be produced.
So the are going ahead of schedule.
 
NovaGA said:
Original production plan was:
2019 - 1 unit
2020 - 1 unit
2021 - 4 units
2022 - 4 units
2023 - 7 units
2024 - 12 units

Current production record:
2019 - 1(lost)
2020 - 1
2021 - 3
2022 - 6
2023 - 11/12

or

2019 - 1(lost)
2020 - 1
2021 + 2022 - 8
2023 - 11/12

Both result in 20-22 units being present at the beginning of 2024.
By the original plan only 18 would be produced.
So the are going ahead of schedule.
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the numbers are to be taken with care official sources are the best, although they could be propaganda, those are the most reliable numbers, Russia is in a war situation Russians know any leak of information without official approval is treason, so do not expect Russian plane watchers to just give information. jail for traitors is a fact.

Official sources and the released pictures pictures are the only reliable sources now.

The other crap that the Russians can or can not is propaganda, in the war situation Russia is now is almost impossible to know the real state of Russian aviation because of the censorship, a lot of propaganda, a lot of trash of information.
 
NovaGA said:
Original production plan was:
2019 - 1 unit
2020 - 1 unit
2021 - 4 units
2022 - 4 units
2023 - 7 units
2024 - 12 units

Current production record:
2019 - 1(lost)
2020 - 1
2021 - 3
2022 - 6
2023 - 11/12

or

2019 - 1(lost)
2020 - 1
2021 + 2022 - 8
2023 - 11/12

Both result in 20-22 units being present at the beginning of 2024.
By the original plan only 18 would be produced.
So the are going ahead of schedule.
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May I ask what’s the source for these numbers?
 
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1) T-50S-1, serial No. 51001, b/n 01, was built in 2019 and broken up in December of the same year.

2) T-50S-2, serial No.51002, b/n 01, built in 2020, delivered to the Ministry of Defense on 01/29/2021.

3) T-50S-3, serial No. 52201, b/n 51, was built in 2021, and presumably commissioned at the end of 2021 or January 2022. He didn't shine in any of the photos, but he was mentioned in this news, which was later quoted on forums.

4) T-50S-4, serial No. 52202, b/n 52, built in 2021, handed over to the Ministry of Defense also presumably at the end of 2021 or January 2022. He appeared once in a video from KnAAZ.

5) T-50S-5, serial No. 52303, b/n 02, reg. number was not applied, built in 2021, commissioned in January 2022. There are photos on 02/03/2022 in Tolmachevo.

6) T-50S-6, series No.52304, b/n 52, reg. RF-81775, built in 2021, commissioned in January 2022. There are photos on 02/03/2022 in Tolmachevo.

7) T-50S-7, series No.52405, b/n 53, reg. RF-81777, built in 2022. There are photos on 05/27/2022 in Tolmachevo.

8) T-50S-8, series No.52406?, b/n 54, reg. No. RF-81778, built in 2022. There are photos on 05/27/2022 in Tolmachevo.

9) T-50S-9, series No.52507
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There is no information on other aircraft
 
One thing to note. Some of the equipment listed as vital for su-57 production are readily accessible to anyone, and are not super sophisticated. It is essentially lab equipment that Russians could just get from whatever their version of aliexpress is.
 
Elysium said:
However, what we got from Mr. David Axe's telegraph article, is that, not only does he not possess the skills and decency, he also does not have basic reading comprehension.
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Well, after years of his F-35 "reporting", I thought this was fommon knowledge at this point? Axe is as dumb as a military affairs Journo gets.
 
Via: ACuriousPLAFan/SDF:

One An-124 carrying a Su-57E for static display has arrived at Zhuhai. Posted by @FATIII on Weibo.
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Deino said:
Is this really a recent image?

Allegedly "A Su-57, B/n 53, RF-81793 (?) or RF-81783 (?). At Tolmachevo airfield, Novosibirsk.Date October 2024 Photo by Flux"

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via
https://twitter.com/x/status/1852067550450061738
View: https://twitter.com/La_souris_DA/status/1852067550450061738
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1853226092901109819
View: https://x.com/757352T/status/1853226092901109819
 
Kinda curious if that T-50-4 fly all the way from Akhtubinsk, to Taiyuan, then to Zhuhai. There is good 5000 km between Akhtubinsk and Taiyuan Wutu airport.
 

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NovaGA said:
Interesting that this 53 red has different RF- number than other 53 red, it has RF-81777
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Nothing surprising - these are different planes. Just look closely at details of paint scheme.
 

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So we have known bort/reg numbers so far:
Blue:
01 GLIC
52

Red:
02 GLIC
02 RF-81780
11
52 RF-81775
53 RF-81777
53 RF-81793
54 RF-81778

Interesting.
 
Elysium said:
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Interesting, the guy stops and points at this thing. It seems this pod is sealed with some gunk in the gaps. Isn't this a compartment that's supposed to house a small missile and open up in flight?
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Early prototypes, which T-50-4 belongs to weren’t 100% finished, in a sense. Earlier ones lacked cheek radars, some had main bay doors sealed, some had limited 101KS installation(T-50-4 lacks most of it, 101KS-O orbs being most noticeable). Looks like T-50-4 also had side-bays doors sealed.
Nothing new.
 
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The first copy with a full set of equipment. Pre-production (Butowski). Sukhoi Design Bureau indicates that the aircraft is equipped with a more complete avionics composition. Rolling out according to the 2011 plan (17.06.2010, Poghosyan).
in operation: since 2012 (12 years 10 months)
 
Knowing some of the chinese online aviation communities, I think the guy might be posting stuff along the line of "more confirmation that su-57 is not true stealth therefore inferior to j-20"
 
donnage99 said:
Knowing some of the chinese online aviation communities, I think the guy might be posting stuff along the line of "more confirmation that su-57 is not true stealth therefore inferior to j-20"
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It depends on what if any commentary was there.

Ultimately it would make sense to focus on some details regardless of whether they knew it was a prototype or not (I think anyone would, if they saw the aircraft in person).
 
donnage99 said:
Knowing some of the chinese online aviation communities, I think the guy might be posting stuff along the line of "more confirmation that su-57 is not true stealth therefore inferior to j-20"
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Isn't that literally what almost everyone on the West's side did at the sight of this image of a prototype?

I find it hypocritical to criticize a large group of people for what just a couple of dudes with a camera have done, while at the same time paying no mind to objectively how the majority on the other side have behaved.

Su-57-Screws.jpg

My point is, no matter which side you're on; we all have to be above this "haha Russian equipment junk" idiocracy if we have not just functional brains but are also as enthusiastic as we claim to be.
 

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