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This display model was shown in aero August 1964. It's not really labelled but a short description is given on a Super Sabre with RR Spey engines. Such a proposed version is mentioned in The American Fighter by Angelucci & Bowers as F-100S.

So I want to ask if it's the F-100S in the picture.
 

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In 1964 NAA proposed a newbuild F-100S SuperSabre fitted with a Rolls-Royce RB.168-25R Spey Turbofan (or optional Allison TF41).
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Well, timing is correct. Hard to tell with a small model though.
 
My dear boxkite,

the NA F-100S was based on F-100F airframe with a Rolls-Royce
engine,so the model is not clear.
 
Is 'engines' a typo? The F-100 pictured appears to be a single engined a/c.



boxkite said:
This display model was shown in aero August 1964. It's not really labelled but a short description is given on a Super Sabre with RR Spey engines. Such a proposed version is mentioned in The American Fighter by Angelucci & Bowers as F-100S.

So I want to ask if it's the F-100S in the picture.
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Yes, a typo. J57 & Spey must be reasonably close in size, several J57 engined aircraft were proposed with Spey.
 
Hello!
I would like to know if someone knows something about an unbuilt version of Super Sabre with simplified avionics (F-100N).
Thanks.
 
an unbuilt version of Super Sabre with simplified avionics (F-100N).
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Wow I didn't think the F-100's avionics could get any simpler!
I will be interested in seeing what this brings up
Good hunting!!

Regards
Pioneer
 
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There are various references. NAA seems to have tried to find more outlets for the F-100, including a Spey-powered version discussed in the 1960s.
 
semperaggressus said:
Hello!
I would like to know if someone knows something about an unbuilt version of Super Sabre with simplified avionics (F-100N).
Thanks.
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F-100N The F-100N (probably N for NATO) was to have been a "stripped" version of the F-100D with simplified electronics that would be offered to the air forces of NATO nations. It attracted little interest and was not proceeded with.

http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_fighters/f100_12.html
 
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Great post Blackkite!

Is there any explanation for the large radome on the model, compared to the small one in the scanned images?
 
The drawing of F-100 with small radar dome title is "三菱式　F-100　改　推定図"
The meaning of this title is "Mitsubishi type modified F-100 estimated figure".
Also there explanation included.
1. FCS : possible automatic tracking operation
2. All weather fighter
3. AAM : 6, 20mm cannon
4. Engine : J57 power up type
5. Vmax : 1.16 Mach
6. Climbing performance : higher than F-104
7. Combat radius : 700n.m with full weapon
8. Range : 2200n.m
9．It's possible to advance 200n.m, 3 hours patrol and return
10. Weight : 13.5ton
11. Price per one fighter : 700,000 dollars at the day　
 
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The model and the illustrations are quite interesting. They remind me of a picture I saw of a modified F-100 with the gunsite radar replaced by a more capable one, resulting in a bulged radome on the top of the inlet.
 
Some modeller says that this is a F-100J.
Excellent model!!　However, I recommend remodeling the nose and the canopy.;)
Japanese explanation says that this model is a Tamiya (Italeri) 1/72 F-100J model completed in May 2017.
I want these model makers to work more seriously. Isn't it embarrassing to put such a model into the world? Investigation and study are crucial.
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Excellent speculative drawing which made 6 years before.
The explanation of this picture is as follows.

The F-100J disappeared with a vision in the voice of the famous Prime Minister Kishi's crane.
Also with the bonus of the phantom AAM-2. Please take care that AAM-2 was for F-4EJ.
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On a slightly different tangent, yesterday I was reading that Lawrence Wackett discussed licensed production of the F-100 in Australia by CAC in/around 1954. Rather than use a J57 though, they looked at two RR Avon RA-7s in a side-by-side arrangement in a widened fuselage. Apparently, NAA also showed some interest but with a single RR Avon RA-19R of 17,500lb static after burning thrust @ sea level. The increased thrust coupled with the smaller size/lower weight of the Avon promised better performance with speed, service ceiling and rate of climb all increasing:

J57 F-100ARA-19R F-100A
Max Power (Augmented)15,000 lb17,500 lb
Military Power9,220 lb11,400 lb
Max Speed @ 35,000ft751 Kn (Mach 1.31)827 Kn (Mach 1.44)
Max Speed @ 45,000ft583 Kn (Mach 1.02)629 Kn (Mach 1.09)
Max Rate of Climb18,800 FPM39,600 FPM
Service Ceiling55,600 ft58,050 ft

He again pushed for the RAAF to consider the F-100 in 1957. Alas nothing became of these proposals.
 
GTX said:
On a slightly different tangent, yesterday I was reading that Lawrence Wackett discussed licensed production of the F-100 in Australia by CAC in/around 1954. Rather than use a J57 though, they looked at two RR Avon RA-7s in a side-by-side arrangement in a widened fuselage. Apparently, NAA also showed some interest but with a single RR Avon RA-19R of 17,500lb static after burning thrust @ sea level. The increased thrust coupled with the smaller size/lower weight of the Avon promised better performance with speed, service ceiling and rate of climb all increasing:

J57 F-100ARA-19R F-100A
Max Power (Augmented)15,000 lb17,500 lb
Military Power9,220 lb11,400 lb
Max Speed @ 35,000ft751 Kn (Mach 1.31)827 Kn (Mach 1.44)
Max Speed @ 45,000ft583 Kn (Mach 1.02)629 Kn (Mach 1.09)
Max Rate of Climb18,800 FPM39,600 FPM
Service Ceiling55,600 ft58,050 ft

He again pushed for the RAAF to consider the F-100 in 1957. Alas nothing became of these proposals.
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RA-19R engine performance looks very close to J79 performance. RA-19R engines for British/Commonwealth F-104s and F-4s? Or, for something different, 4x RA-19R engines on an RAF B-58K?
 
The F-100J, as shown in Lockheed F-104 Starfighter by Steve Pace (Motorbooks International, 1992). So far as I can tell, it looks like what we've seen so far of the F-100J. But the ventrally-mounted rocket pack is curious.
 

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elmayerle said:
GTX said:
On a slightly different tangent, yesterday I was reading that Lawrence Wackett discussed licensed production of the F-100 in Australia by CAC in/around 1954. Rather than use a J57 though, they looked at two RR Avon RA-7s in a side-by-side arrangement in a widened fuselage. Apparently, NAA also showed some interest but with a single RR Avon RA-19R of 17,500lb static after burning thrust @ sea level. The increased thrust coupled with the smaller size/lower weight of the Avon promised better performance with speed, service ceiling and rate of climb all increasing:

J57 F-100ARA-19R F-100A
Max Power (Augmented)15,000 lb17,500 lb
Military Power9,220 lb11,400 lb
Max Speed @ 35,000ft751 Kn (Mach 1.31)827 Kn (Mach 1.44)
Max Speed @ 45,000ft583 Kn (Mach 1.02)629 Kn (Mach 1.09)
Max Rate of Climb18,800 FPM39,600 FPM
Service Ceiling55,600 ft58,050 ft

He again pushed for the RAAF to consider the F-100 in 1957. Alas nothing became of these proposals.
Click to expand...
RA-19R engine performance looks very close to J79 performance. RA-19R engines for British/Commonwealth F-104s and F-4s? Or, for something different, 4x RA-19R engines on an RAF B-58K?
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Or J57-25 (F-102 in 1955) - 11,700 lb military, 17,200 lb augmented.

The J57-20 of the F-8D/E and modernized earlier models had 18,000 lb augmented, but that was from 1960.
Likewise the J57-420 of the RF-8 had 19,600 lb augmented - but in 1965.
 
BlackBat242 said:
elmayerle said:
GTX said:
On a slightly different tangent, yesterday I was reading that Lawrence Wackett discussed licensed production of the F-100 in Australia by CAC in/around 1954. Rather than use a J57 though, they looked at two RR Avon RA-7s in a side-by-side arrangement in a widened fuselage. Apparently, NAA also showed some interest but with a single RR Avon RA-19R of 17,500lb static after burning thrust @ sea level. The increased thrust coupled with the smaller size/lower weight of the Avon promised better performance with speed, service ceiling and rate of climb all increasing:

J57 F-100ARA-19R F-100A
Max Power (Augmented)15,000 lb17,500 lb
Military Power9,220 lb11,400 lb
Max Speed @ 35,000ft751 Kn (Mach 1.31)827 Kn (Mach 1.44)
Max Speed @ 45,000ft583 Kn (Mach 1.02)629 Kn (Mach 1.09)
Max Rate of Climb18,800 FPM39,600 FPM
Service Ceiling55,600 ft58,050 ft

He again pushed for the RAAF to consider the F-100 in 1957. Alas nothing became of these proposals.
Click to expand...
RA-19R engine performance looks very close to J79 performance. RA-19R engines for British/Commonwealth F-104s and F-4s? Or, for something different, 4x RA-19R engines on an RAF B-58K?
Click to expand...
Or J57-25 (F-102 in 1955) - 11,700 lb military, 17,200 lb augmented.

The J57-20 of the F-8D/E and modernized earlier models had 18,000 lb augmented, but that was from 1960.
Likewise the J57-420 of the RF-8 had 19,600 lb augmented - but in 1965.
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That's getting into speculative territory whereas the info I posted was based upon apparent actual study by CAC.
 
LowObservable said:
There are various references. NAA seems to have tried to find more outlets for the F-100, including a Spey-powered version discussed in the 1960s.
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Just stumbled across this from Air Pictorial June 1964

Regards
Pioneer
 

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Amazon Prime streaming TV has the one and only season of Steve Canyon (1958) available right now (at least in the US). USAF F-100 archival footage is prominently featured in episodes 2 and 3. Lt. Col. Canyon flies around in an F-102, saving the day.

From the Amazon website: "Air Force pilot Steve Canyon, the commander of Big Thunder Air Force Base, travels from base to base as an all around trouble shooter, when he's not dealing with the personal and military problems of his own everyday life."
 
Was there any proposed f-100 variant with two engines? I seem to remember one but I can't seem to find it.
 
Cutaway North American F-100BI, author Rigatto and modified by Motocar to recreate this proposal
 

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