China Projecting Power in South and East China Seas

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sferrin said:
They've turned out 8 Type 055s in less time than we've been trying to figure out what to replace the Ticos with.
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If I may do a prediction, the US-China naval war would be the reverse of Pacific War roles: US would play the role of Japan (more powerful & experienced navy, but without the industrial potential to quickly replace the losses), while PRC would play the role of United States of 40s (less experienced, but with almost limitless industrial power to build & replenish).
 
Dilandu said:
If I may do a prediction, the US-China naval war would be the reverse of Pacific War roles: US would play the role of Japan (more powerful & experienced navy, but without the industrial potential to quickly replace the losses), while PRC would play the role of United States of 40s (less experienced, but with almost limitless industrial power to build & replenish).
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I don't think the circumstances of that era can be applied here but yes, the US is lacking in the shipbuilding department pretty significantly.
 
Eight Chinese bomber planes and four fighter jets entered the southwestern corner of Taiwan's air defence identification zone on Saturday, and Taiwan's air force deployed missiles to "monitor" the incursion, the island's Defence Ministry said.
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Taiwan reports large incursion by Chinese air force

Eight Chinese bomber planes and four fighter jets entered the southwestern corner of Taiwan's air defence identification zone on Saturday, and Taiwan's air force deployed missiles to "monitor" the incursion, the island's defence ministry said.
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I haven't seen Biden issue any strongly worded statements about the recent HK politician round-ups, I hope his administration can send a strong message soon.
 
The PRC is obviously going to have to be slapped down and hard or they will know no boundaries. The next two years need to be handled firmly or the whole area will be run by the PRC communist party.
 
I am not sure I see the point in these "current weapons" topics. I am as guilty as anyone in contributing my opinions but the stories are all re-posted items from other sites.
A wholesale removal of discussions and posts on "current weapons" would return the site to its focus on past secret projects of various kinds.
I know it wont happen but I find all the jingoistic lets have WW3 in the Pacific stuff belongs on other sites like Reddit or Twitter.
 
I don't feel that is what is happening here. Discussions on current military events have a lot to do with prior action and or is a continuation. Current and future weapon development also an extension of past development etc.
 
One of the really good points about this site is the number of educated people willing to share information. A thread like this enables the reader to access a breadth of news and opinions.
 
uk 75 said:
I am not sure I see the point in these "current weapons" topics. I am as guilty as anyone in contributing my opinions but the stories are all re-posted items from other sites.
A wholesale removal of discussions and posts on "current weapons" would return the site to its focus on past secret projects of various kinds.
I know it wont happen but I find all the jingoistic lets have WW3 in the Pacific stuff belongs on other sites like Reddit or Twitter.
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Current projects can shed light on past projects.
 
In_A_Dream said:
uk 75 said:
I am not sure I see the point in these "current weapons" topics. I am as guilty as anyone in contributing my opinions but the stories are all re-posted items from other sites.
A wholesale removal of discussions and posts on "current weapons" would return the site to its focus on past secret projects of various kinds.
I know it wont happen but I find all the jingoistic lets have WW3 in the Pacific stuff belongs on other sites like Reddit or Twitter.
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Current projects can shed light on past projects.
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This is a perfect “The Bar” topic in my opinion. There is a lot of amazing information on this site covering topics and technology that I don’t have an interest in.....I don’t read it.
 
Some time in the next two or thee days, I think we will have a minor collision in the SCS. With all the PRC expansion into areas outside of their influence yet denying right of passage near their waters, they cannot back down or they will lose face to their home grown opposition. At some stage we are likely to see aggressive moves and a physical connection or two. Possibly even a little exchange of ordnance. Why are the PRC, Russia and NK all doing this at pretty much the same time?
 
Foo Fighter said:
Some time in the next two or thee days, I think we will have a minor collision in the SCS. With all the PRC expansion into areas outside of their influence yet denying right of passage near their waters, they cannot back down or they will lose face to their home grown opposition. At some stage we are likely to see aggressive moves and a physical connection or two. Possibly even a little exchange of ordnance. Why are the PRC, Russia and NK all doing this at pretty much the same time?
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I'm not sure they are in a position to start moving towards more aggressive action aimed at Western forces operating in the region. Close though.
 
Foo Fighter said:
Some time in the next two or thee days, I think we will have a minor collision in the SCS. With all the PRC expansion into areas outside of their influence yet denying right of passage near their waters, they cannot back down or they will lose face to their home grown opposition. At some stage we are likely to see aggressive moves and a physical connection or two. Possibly even a little exchange of ordnance. Why are the PRC, Russia and NK all doing this at pretty much the same time?
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Because US managed to annoy all three to the point, that all three benefited from weakening the US position. Russia is more ambivalent, because we actually have reasons to be wary about China, too - but America managed to became our more immediate concern, than possible future alteration with China.
 
Dilandu said:
Because US managed to annoy all three to the point, that all three benefited from weakening the US position. Russia is more ambivalent, because we actually have reasons to be wary about China, too - but America managed to became our more immediate concern, than possible future alteration with China.
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Has America grown into a concern because of Ukraine & Syria? I would think a rapidly developing military next to the Siberian Resource Reserves would cause some discomfort. AFAIK Russia is currently allowing Chinese companies/workers to extract resources from there.
 
In_A_Dream said:
Has America grown into a concern because of Ukraine & Syria?
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Actually, because of Serbia and Iraq-2003. After which it became apparent that America does not consider itself bound by rules, that it demanded from others. This was the first turning point in our public perception; the fear, that even obedience to the rules would not guarantee our safety. Then was Georgia-2008, when Western countries firmly supported one side, without any interest to actually investigate rather complex background of the conflict. Essentially Russia was declared "wrong by definition". After that, resentment started to arise. Ukraine was basically the last straw; the blatant attempt to deny us ANY sphere of influence, by bringing the nationalistic anti-Russian government to power, led to resentment transforming into anger and open hostility. That's how we, Russians, view the situation.

I would not deny, that Russia wasn't actually a nice neighbor either. But West carries its part of the blame for current hostility. After the fall of USSR, peoples of Russia hoped, that they would be treated as "first world citizens", and Russia remaining interests would be respected. Instead, we were met with prolonged hostility - leftower of the Cold War - open preference by West of anti-Russian regimes around our borders, and refusal to consider ANY our interests as valid. So hopes were quickly dashed, and revanche concepts grew out of wounded national pride.
 
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