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Hi all :D

in Air Enthusiast I have found this sketches of the Westland J.14 and J.15. These are the only known illustrations of these designs.
Do you have some technical data for this projects? ;)

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British Secret Projects Fighters & Bombers 1935-1950. Tony Buttler. Midland (Everybody should that books :))

Page 208 and 235

Sketches made in 1945 by Rab Page (the only known illustrations of these designs)

J.14: High-altitude jet fighter, 6.42. (2xH1 engine and 4x20 mm?)

J.15: Jet fighter, 10.42 (to E.5/42?). Span: 14 m, Max weight: 4355 Kg, H1 engine, 788 Km/h at 10,668 m and 4x20 mm
 
pometablava said:
British Secret Projects Fighters & Bombers 1935-1950. Tony Buttler. Midland (Everybody should that books :))

Page 208 and 235

Sketches made in 1945 by Rab Page (the only known illustrations of these designs)

J.14: High-altitude jet fighter, 6.42. (2xH1 engine and 4x20 mm?)

J.15: Jet fighter, 10.42 (to E.5/42?). Span: 14 m, Max weight: 4355 Kg, H1 engine, 788 Km/h at 10,668 m and 4x20 mm
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infacto i have order this book and three about luftwaffe secret projects on ibs.it ( i have two of these on pdf file but real book is another thing!)
 
Hmmmm...the bottom one looks...familiar....


vampire_f_1.jpg


:)
 
It's a Westland project employing an elliptical, laminar-flow wing that is indeed earlier than the Wyvern and not related. That's all I know though.
 
Quite possible that it is just advertising material as it doesn't seem to match up with any projects from that date.
 
Hi,

may be Westland fighter for F6/42 Spec.
 
I have consolidated information from various ill-located or isolated posts into this one topic. I also did the same with Westland helicopters.

All Westland-related topics (at least those that have "Westland" in their title) are now as follows:

Westland aircraft
  • Westland aircraft projects here.
  • Westland drawing numbers here.
  • A.39/34 Westland Lysander here.
  • Westland P.9 here.
  • Westland Whirlwind variants etc here.
  • Westland project to F.19/40 here.
  • Westland proposal to Spec. M.148T here.
  • Clyde-powered Westland Wyvern pic &/or drawing? here.
I'm aware that there are other topics on the forum which contain Westland-related material that might need to be consolidated with these topics... It will be done in time.

The work I did on Westland is a glimpse into the way I'd love for the information to be organised and retrievable on this forum.
I sincerely hope this method will find everyone's approbation and will make SPF even more useful and handy than it already is!
 
Two little-known Westland projects from 1935 (RAeS/NAL photos):
  • Single-Seat Day and Night Fighter: Tender to Specification F.37/35.
  • General Reconnaissance Aircraft: Tender to Specification No. G.24/35.
 

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Well done!

The F.37/35 seems to be an early
impression of what became the Whrilwind...

According to 'Westland Aircraft since 1918' -Putnam
G24/35 : Twin Perseus GP.TSR aircraft 1936.

Nothing more found.
 
lark said:
Well done!

The F.37/35 seems to be an early
impression of what became the Whrilwind...
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It is!
 

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Very interesting Hesham. So, you are suggesting that the Brabazon Type Va spec was expanded into a full competition?

According to a letter to Flight (21 March 1952, p.332) from DL Brown of Farnborough, Hants. :"The Brabazon Va specification was written around a private-venture design put forward by Miles..." meaning, of course, the M.60 Marathon.
 
My dear Apophenia,


the Miles M.60 Marathon didn't intended for Spec. 26/43,but intended for Spec. 18/44.
 
:)
 

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hesham said:
the Miles M.60 Marathon didn't intended for Spec. 26/43,but intended for Spec. 18/44.
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Okay, then we are not talking about Brabazon Committee Type Va then, but rather Brabazon Vb. Same questions though. Wasn't Spec 26/43/Brabazon Vb written around the DH.104 Dove?
 
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hesham said:
the Miles M.60 Marathon didn't intended for Spec. 26/43,but intended for Spec. 18/44.
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Okay, then we are not talking about Brabazon Committee Type Va then, but rather Brabazon Vb. Same questions though. Wasn't Spec 26/43/Brabazon Vb written around the DH.104 Dove?
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I agree with my dear Apophenia,


about the Spec. 26/43 was written around DH.104 Dove,but the other proposals for the
same contest; Airspeed AS.64 and westland,so I suggested that Westland project was
for it.
 
re the Westland 'jet Whirlwind', the only surviving information is from a Westland development chart (background to upper image shown) model by Joe Cherrie Sr. using information provided by Tony Buttler ...
 

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Westland 'jet bomber' & 'jet fighter' proposals, models by Joe Cherrie Sr. using information provided by Tony Buttler ...
 

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Is this principally the same type as shown in Derek N.James "Westland Aircraft since 1915", Putnam ?
 

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Jemiba said:
Is this principally the same type as shown in Derek N.James "Westland Aircraft since 1915", Putnam ?
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No my dear Jemiba,


it is different,it is anther fighter,its differ is in cockpit and tail,also the fighter-bomber
in Westland book has a low-mid wing,and anther fighter has a low-wing.
 

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hesham said:
Hi,

there is an impression artist picture from Flightglobal to unknown
fighter belong to Westland company, I think it was not Wyvern.


http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1945/1945%20-%201538.html
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Hi,


this fighter is not realted to F6/42 as I expected before,I have many books
talks about Westland fighter projects,but I never see like this,may be it
was from imagination of Flightglobal only,and may be it was a real project.
 

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Here is a rare unbuilt Westland project from 1919 which I don't recall seeing before on this forum.

It was meant as a twin-engine seven-seat passenger transport and colonial mail carrier, to be powered by either two 100 hp Cosmos Lucifer or two 150 A.B.C. Wasp engines. The unusual feature was that it was a biplane but with the lower wing shoulder-mounted, placing the high-wing way above the fuselage.

Source is Westland 50 (Ian Allan, 1965).
 

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You're right, this one was forgotten till now ! Good, that you saved it from
oblivion ! ;)

I just want to point to some differences, as in Derek N.James "Westland Aircraft since 1915",
Putnam, it is mentioned as a project drawn in 1928 and powered by two Napier Lion engines.
 
Jemiba said:
I just want to point to some differences, as in Derek N.James "Westland Aircraft since 1915",
Putnam, it is mentioned as a project drawn in 1928 and powered by two Napier Lion engines.
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I certainly wouldn't think of criticizing Derek N. James's research for his Putnam volume (one of the few that I do not have, so I can't really check it out for comparison of data) but what I know however is that the book I took the info from was researched by John W. R. Taylor and Maurice F. Allward for Westland's 50th anniversary, and though published by Ian Allan, was copyrighted directly to Westland Aircraft, Ltd. It is therefore unlikely that the info found in there could be erroneous to the extent of getting both the year and engines so wrong. My hunch is that there probably was a similar transport project at a later date.
 
Seems to be the better source indeed. Actually, the same drawing is shown
in the Putnam book.
A clue for me is just, that the design already looks a bit outdated for 1928.
 
1919 certainly seems to be the more likely data, judging both by the design style and inclusion in Westland 50.
However I see a problem as the nacelles quite clearly have rectangular radiators at the front for water-cooled engines but both the Lucifer and Wasp were air-cooled radials. You'd also struggle to get seven passengers + pilot into the air on just 200hp.
 
Hi,

here is a Westland V twin engined monoplane transport Project of 1929.
 

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