Dassault Mystere 30 (Falcon 30) prototype and Falcon 40 project

[hesham]

Hi,

some french aircraft;
Dassault Falcon 30 :30/32 seat light airliner based on Falcon 20 with larger
fuselage, protoype only.
Dassault Falcon 40 :40 passenger version of Falcon 30,not built.

 

[Jemiba]

Hi,

some french aircraft;
Dassault Falcon 30 :30/32 seat light airliner based on Falcon 20 with larger
fuselage, protoype only.
Dassault Falcon 40 :40 passenger version of Falcon 30,not built.

I've just an old drawing of the Falcon 30 in my collection of my own drawings,
although I think, I've seen the Falcon 40 somewhere ... but where ?

 

[TinWing]

Still yet I've just an old drawing of the Falcon 30 in my collection of my own drawings,
although I think, I've seen the Falcon 40 somewhere ... but where ?

This regional jet was just ahead of its time. Oddly, the Mercure also began as an aft engined regional jet, albeit a slighly larger 50 seat aircraft.

 

[Archibald]

...and was the first civilian aircraft with an HUD (30 years in advance...)
Only ten sold, in fact imposed to Air Inter (just like Concorde at the same time, by the Mercure was not glamourous and quickly forgotten...)
Aparently the Falcon-40 never went beyond the mockup stage...

 

[thebig C]

Hey Gang

Has anybody got any pics of the proposed stretched variant of the Falcon 50? Apparently it was studied for several years, and would have involved adding additional frames to boost capacity. Eventually, it was decided to completely redesign the fuselage with resulting in a significantly wider cabin resulting in the Falcon 900.

C

 

[hesham]

From Flieger Revue 5/1980,


that's the first time to know,there was a two version to Falcon 30,the 30L with twin engines and
the 30T with three engines.

 

[Archibald]

For the record: the Falcon 30 fuselage (everything else appears to be gone) is part of the CAEA collection...

Dassault Mystère-Falcon 30

c--aea-fr.translate.goog

 

[hesham]

Good article and note my dear Archibald,


we miss you.

 

[toura]

HI ALL

From aviation magazine...........

 

[hesham]

Thank you my dear Toura.

 

[walter]

Dear Toura, thank you for the Aviation Magazine article.
Do I understand correctly that it says that the RR RB-172-51 engines were retained? I always thought that
F-WAMD had Lycoming ALF502-D engines?

 

[toura]

My dear Walter.
Yes you're right...the F-WAMD had Lycoming engines.
(Look photos and commantary, always from "aviation magazine")
but serie could have
RR RB 172.51 or if customer want, General electric CF 700
BYE

 

[toura]

Always for you my dear Walter.(from"DASSAULT PASSION)

 

[walter]

Thank you very much, dear Toura.
Makes the history of the "30" clear to me .

 

[hesham]

From Jane's All the World's Aircraft 1965-1966,


here is early drawing to Dassault-Breguet Mercure,completely different,it had a
rear mounted engines.

 

[Jemiba]

Sure, that it is related to the Mercure ? It rather reminds me on the Mystere 30,
shown here from Aviation Week 1972 1-13.

 

[hesham]

Sure, that it is related to the Mercure ? It rather reminds me on the Mystere 30,
shown here from Aviation Week 1972 1-13.

My dear Jemiba,


may be there is two Mercure.

 

[toura]

Hi all

see the"mystere 20" which became"mystere 30"
after change of engines

and the project" mystere 30" which became project mercure
and was change for the Mercure we know

 

[flateric]

https://flic.kr/p/CzWUFb

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photos (c) Aerofossile2012
Musee Europeen de l'Aviation de Chasse - Montélimar

 

[flateric]

Falcon 30-40: origins, characteristics and performance data

The Mystère 30, equipped with two Lycoming ALF 502D jet engines made its first flight on May 11, 1973 at Mérignac, piloted by Jean Coureau and Jérôme Résal.

www.dassault-aviation.com

 

[flateric]

Plaquette de présentation DASSAULT FALCON 40

C était parmi la pile que j ai ramené de chez mes parents l autre jour ...

heller-forever.forumactif.com

cudos to Jacques

 

[Archibald]

The Falcon 30 fuselage as it stands nowadays at the CAEA.

File:Dassault Falcon 30 Prototype (49894518011).jpg - Wikimedia Commons

commons.wikimedia.org

 

[Caravellarella]

Some imagery of the Mystère 30 prototype F-WAMD......

Terry (Caravellarella)

 

[alberchico]

It's amazing how far ahead of its time this aircraft was. A stretched version with more economical powerplants could have been a huge success just like the CRJ-200 was. But with high oil prices and the Mercure program struggling to find any customers, I can see why Dassault abandoned this program.

 

[PhR]

Some more photos, including first flight on May 11th, 1973 by Jean Courreau.

 

[Archibald]

It's amazing how far ahead of its time this aircraft was. A stretched version with more economical powerplants could have been a huge success just like the CRJ-200 was. But with high oil prices and the Mercure program struggling to find any customers, I can see why Dassault abandoned this program.

Good points. My understanding is that turboprops were almost invincibles in the 1970's and 1980's, and that even in the 1990's and beyond, Bombardier and Embraer still had some difficulties cornering the market - when ATR survived against all odds.

Turboprops vs jet was, and still is, a pitched battle. Jets are quiet and fast and sexy; but fuel costs and CO2 emissions favors ATR, even today. ATR has proven extremely resilient, even before they became part of Airbus.

Mercure, Concorde and Corvette should never have happened. They were three costly mistakes by the French government, which should never have funded them. Admittedly, Concorde was prestige so ok. But Mercure and Corvette were criminal idioties.

Corvette, because it ran head-on into the Falcon 20. What was Aérospatiale thinking ?

Mercure, because it ran into the nascent Airbus airliner business, in the days of Concorde commercial failure. What was Dassault thinking ?

By 1976 France had three awful airliner commercial failures on its hands: Concorde, Mercure, A300. They cost french taxpayers an arm, a leg and a few testicles...

We can thanks the late Frank Borman, former astronaut turned Eastern CEO, to have rescued Airbus in 1977. Also MDD stupidity not going 747SP with the DC-10, with two engines instead of three. The A300 with 260 pax and two engines was a perfect DC-8-63 replacement and also a gap filler, between 727/727/DC-9 and DC-10 / L-1011/ 747SP / 747.

 

[BROF]

Some more photos, including first flight on May 11th, 1973 by Jean Courreau.

Thank you, interesting. More interesting than the usual anti-French "French" ranting...

 

[bercr]

Some more photos, including first flight on May 11th, 1973 by Jean Courreau.

Thank you PhR for these nice photos of the first flight of the Falcon 30. Test pilot Jérôme Résal at left, Jean Coureau (who made the first flight of Mirage 2000 in March 1978) at right.

https://www.facebook.com/100063679660905/posts/642979027834747

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Biography of Jean Coureau

A prodigious acrobatics pilot, Jean Coureau piloted various maiden flights, including for the Mirage III C, Mercure 01 and Mirage 2000.

www.dassault-aviation.com