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Novi Avion (Yugoslavia)
« on: June 29, 2006, 12:49:23 pm »
The Novi Avion had 2 major design revisions. The early design had a chin inlet, with a Lavi feel, while the later design, which was partly created by Dassault who came on board as technical consultants, looks like a mini-Rafale.

Here's a PDF of a 1983 brochure for the early design:

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/ebooks/NA.pdf

(found online at airserbia.com)
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Re: Novi Avion (Yugoslavia)
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2006, 12:54:43 pm »
More:
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Re: Novi Avion (Yugoslavia)
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2006, 12:57:36 pm »
Second variant:
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Re: Novi Avion (Yugoslavia)
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2006, 12:59:39 pm »
Cockpit mockup
« Last Edit: June 29, 2006, 01:01:41 pm by overscan »
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Re: Novi Avion (Yugoslavia)
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2006, 01:22:34 pm »
Very interesting design ... esp. interesting with the chnage in configuration from that Lavi-style to a mini-Rafale after the Frech consultations ...

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Re: Novi Avion (Yugoslavia)
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2006, 01:35:39 pm »
That's very cool! I discovered this project recently and was impressed... What an achievement for a small country like Yougoslavia... and thanks very much for the 3-view!!
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Re: Novi Avion (Yugoslavia)
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2006, 08:35:41 pm »
It would now seem as if the "Novi Avion" program commenced at the end of the Tito era, and continued under the Milosevic regime - only to be ended by the collapse of Yugoslavia.


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Re: Novi Avion (Yugoslavia)
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2006, 06:04:23 am »
Here is a 3-view of the "definitive" Novi Avion.

I have no idea about the original source, but I found it on defensetalk.


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Re: Novi Avion (Yugoslavia)
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2006, 06:14:39 am »
Its from Janes All the Worlds Aircraft. Not terribly accurate, either.
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Re: Novi Avion (Yugoslavia)
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2006, 09:10:44 am »
Its from Janes All the Worlds Aircraft. Not terribly accurate, either.

It looks like a JAWA 3-view, but I have never seen an entry on the "Novi Avion" in any year of Jane's?

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Re: Novi Avion (Yugoslavia)
« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2006, 02:48:16 pm »
Cockpit mockup

I know you are most interested in avionics, but I'm surprised that you didn't comment on the use of aluminum-litium alloy for the fuselage.  To the best of my knowledge, the Rafale's fuselage is composed of conventional alloys and carbon fiber?  Oddly enough, the contempory MiG-29M/K also used a welded Al-Li fuselage assembly.

So the Novi Avion looks like a Dassault Rafale, but might have been built like a MiG-29M?

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Re: Novi Avion (Yugoslavia)
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2006, 03:02:48 pm »
Typhoon uses some Al-Li -  e.g. leading and trailing edges of the vertical fin, fuselage mainframes. See http://www.eurofighter.com/Typhoon/Production/ for more details. Rafale uses it too. The reason the USSR was interested, and this applies to Yugoslavia too, was the promise of similar weight savings to composites while using existing metal based manufacturing techniques. However, structural problems with the MiG-29M's Al-Li alloys have led to its removal from the Indian MiG-29K I believe.
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Re: Novi Avion (Yugoslavia)
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2006, 11:15:54 pm »
*laugh* Not the first aircraft to be afflicted that way.  The 1-year delay on the C-17 was at least partly due to having to redesign the wing structure in more conventional aluminum alloys after the Ai-Li ones they initially used didn't pan out.  I'm told that the folk in Long Beach had some rather vituperative private comments regarding Alcoa.  Too, Al-Li alloys are a lot more care intensive in the shop and maintenance environment from what I understand of their use in late-model F-16s.

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Re: Novi Avion (Yugoslavia)
« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2006, 05:15:32 pm »
Novi Avion from Air International 1990 (Farnborough Data File)

Text says France will supply armament and radar.
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Re: Novi Avion (Yugoslavia)
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2006, 09:06:13 am »
My dears,

may I ask you,is that aircraft related to VTI fighter project of 1994 ?
the source: jane's all the world aircraft 1994-1995.