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Blackburn designations
« on: April 07, 2010, 03:14:18 am »
Hi all

(from Putnam)
« Last Edit: December 13, 2012, 03:09:10 am by Stargazer2006 »

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Re: Blackburn designations
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2010, 03:38:26 am »
Thanks Alexei! This solves quite a few mysteries in my Blackburn list. I don't have the Putnam book and it's a tough one to find!

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Re: Blackburn designations
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2010, 09:24:03 pm »
hi,

The new version of Blackburn list with numbering in series "B" and "P" to number P.183

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Re: Blackburn designations
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2010, 04:24:22 am »
Hi,

B-114   jet flap Anson replacement 1960.
B-115   cold jet flap experimental aircraft 1960.
B-118   vertical rising transport aircraft 1960.
B-119   naval AEW aircraft 1960.
B-120   Anson replacement 1960.
B-121   Beverley/Argosy replacement 1960.
B-122   STOL freighter 1961.
P-139   AEW aircraft 1963.
P-143   Buccaneer fuel and stores pallet 1966.
P-146   light tactical aircraft 1967.
P-147   basic trainer 1967.
P-162   variable-cycle engine configurations 1979.
P-164   trainer 1980.
   

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Re: Blackburn designations
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2010, 04:36:49 am »
You guys ROCK!!!  :D

Only missing Blackburn designations I find now are as follows:

- B-125, P-137, P-144, P-166, P-172, P-174, P-175, P-176, P-179, P-180, P-182

Aircraft types/projects that do not have a B- designation identified for them:

- two-seat fighter project for F.34/35
- Y.A.2 project, no details
- Y.A.3 project, no details

- Y.A.7 project = B-54
- Y.A.8 project = B-54

- Percival P.40 PRENTICE subcontracted for 21/46/P
- Percival P.108 BALLIOL subcontracted for T.14/47/4

Any ideas? Thanks a lot for your great help!  ;)
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Re: Blackburn designations
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2010, 04:41:59 am »
Oh sorry,

I forget the B-125;

B-125   STOL freighter to NATO requirement NBMR.1 of 1961.

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Re: Blackburn designations
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2010, 01:37:50 pm »
From Putnam's 'Blackburn', page 50 :-

SBAC Designations...

Y.A.1      B-48 Firecrest prototype to Specification S.28/43 (1945)

Y.A.2, Y.A.3     Design studies only.

Y.A.4      B-55 project for a Rolls-Royce Dart powered 24-seat commercial aircraft.

Y.A.5      anti-submarine two-seater to specification G.R.17/45 with Napier Double Naiad (turboprop0

Y.A.6      B-62 project for Firecrest with Armstrong-Siddeley Python (1946)

Y.A.7      Y.A.5 two-seater with Rolls-Royce Griffon 56.

Y.A.8      Y.A.5 three seater with Rolls-Royce Griffon 56. (1950)

Y.A.9      B-75 feederliner with two Blackburn Cirrus Majors or Bombardiers (1947)

Y.B.1      B-88 - Y.A.8 with Armstrong-Siddeley Double Mamba (1950)

Y.B.2      HP.88 research aircraft using a Supermarine Attacker fuselage and Handley-Page Victor scale model crescent wing (1951)

Y.B.3      B-103 (otherwise the N.A.39) low-level strike fighter prototype (Buccaneer) (1955)

and from page 462:-

"Production

Three prototype aircraft only:

WB871   Blackburn B-54 Griffon 56, first flown 20 September 1949 as Y.A.7, scrapped at Farnborough 1957

WB788   Blackburn B-54 Griffon 56, first flown 3 May 1950 as Y.A.8, scrapped at Farnborough 1956

WB797   Blackburn B-88, Double Mamba, first flown 19 July 1950 as Y.B.1; to AS Motors in 1951, scrapped at Bitteswell july 1955"

So it would appear that the Y.A.7 and Y.A.8 retained the B-54 type number.

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B-125, P-137, P-144, P-166, P-172, P-174, P-175, P-176, P-179, P-180, P-182

From 'From Spitfire to Eurofighter', Roy Boot, Airlife, 1990, pp.261-2

P.137, P.144, Project number unused.

Finally, from reading the Putnam book, I get the impression that when when building 'other peoples aeroplanes', where no design work has been done,
no 'B-number' was issued.


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         Robin.


so I would hazard a guess that the Y.A.7 and Y.A.8 retained the B-54 number.
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Re: Blackburn designations
« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2010, 02:17:49 pm »
so I would hazard a guess that the Y.A.7 and Y.A.8 retained the B-54 number.

That's EXACTLY how it was in my list until recently. In a streak of cautiousness I decided to question this and removed the B-54 allocation for these two... I shouldn't have. Thanks a lot!

As an aside... Wonder why I wrote "project, no details" in front of these two types.  ??? I must have been tired from too much designation hunting!!!  ::)

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Re: Blackburn designations
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2019, 12:08:12 pm »
OK, so this thread has been dead for many years so I guess there is not a lot of interest in Blackburn, but a word of caution - the project list in Jackson's Putnam volume is far from complete and has errors.
I visited the Blackburn archive last week with a request to see any flying boat projects between the Nile and B20. The volunteers there did a quick search of the catalogue, not a deep search, and had a few files available for me to view. I only had two hours but in that time the files and drawings I saw were almost entirely previously unknown designs missing from Jackson's list. So, should you be researching Blackburn it looks like there is a great deal just waiting to be uncovered in the archive, a nice project for anyone who is able to make a few visits. The archive is held by BAe Systems at the former Blackburn factory at Brough, near Hull

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Re: Blackburn designations
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2019, 01:06:56 pm »
OK, so this thread has been dead for many years so I guess there is not a lot of interest in Blackburn, but a word of caution - the project list in Jackson's Putnam volume is far from complete and has errors.
I visited the Blackburn archive last week with a request to see any flying boat projects between the Nile and B20. The volunteers there did a quick search of the catalogue, not a deep search, and had a few files available for me to view. I only had two hours but in that time the files and drawings I saw were almost entirely previously unknown designs missing from Jackson's list. So, should you be researching Blackburn it looks like there is a great deal just waiting to be uncovered in the archive, a nice project for anyone who is able to make a few visits. The archive is held by BAe Systems at the former Blackburn factory at Brough, near Hull

Interesting info, thanks :)
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Re: Blackburn designations
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2019, 04:30:57 am »
Thank you for clarify us my dear Schneiderman.