Caproni Ca.190 and Ca.191

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In an old magazin I have found little informations about this two Caproni civil projects after WWII, but without drawings. If anybody has pics or drawings please post it.

Thanks Maveric
 
Flight 20 Nov 1947 mentions the Ca.191 but no images (just photos of the prototype MB308 and the S.1001 Grifo).

"Ca.191 - 18-seat twin-engined high-wing monoplane with retractable nosewheel undercarriage and two Isotta Fraschini Delta engines of 800 h.p. each. All-up weight, 19,360 lb; cruising speed, 192 m.p.h."

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1947/1947%20-%202023.html
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1947/1947%20-%202024.html

There were no other details. Maveric, what did your old magazine have to say about these types?
 
Maveric,

This might also be of interest: http://cgi.ebay.it/LALA-AVIAZIONE-AERAUTO-PL3C-MILANO-CAPRONI-MC202-1947_W0QQitemZ200254945917QQihZ010QQcategoryZ4718QQcmdZViewItem

L'ALA Numero 14 Anno III (1 Aug 1947), 24 pages. Contents included the aircraft of AEREA TESEO S.A., Caproni Ca.193, Ca.191, and the F.M.1 Passero motorglider.
 

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On both now the standard is Giorgio Apostolo "Gli ultimi di Taliedo" Aerofan n.100.
 
Hi,


who can make a larger and clearer copy of this photo,which originally sent by my dear Apophenia.
 

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Someone with access to a well-assorted Italian library, I would think. But in the international
distant loan system, I couldn't find this mag.
 
Thank you my dears,


and Flightglobal's archive is not working,why ?.
 
My dear Apophenia,


the Flightglobal is working now,but just Info about Ca.191 and Ca.193,I want a clearer drawings
for them.
 
Hi friends,
about the postwar Caproni designs, I can enclose two pictures of two of the latest projects of Eng. Amilcare Porro for the Caproni brand.
One is the alleged prototype of the Ca.191 during construction in the Milano-Taliedo plant (close to the Linate Airport) but IMO is only a partial wooden mock-up. The second one is the prototype of the Ca.193 as appeared circa 1972 at the Vizzola Ticino plant, more or less where today is the Volandia theme park, in the area of Malpensa International Airport. The aircraft now is at the Trento museum
Nico
 

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Excellent my dear Nico,


thank you very much.
 
Caproni Ca.191 and Ca.191A

SOURCE: Gente dell'aria volume 7 (page 194/195)
 

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Same book, Ca.191 inside (page 196).
 

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It is safe to say that Caproni aircraft had not really taken the measure of aircraft design's rapid evolution when they came up with this somewhat antiquated transport design in 1947...
The Caproni Ca.191 was studied in both inline- and radial-engine versions (Ca.191 and Ca.191A). According to these plans, it was to be powered with two Isotta Fraschini Delta III engines (Apophenia gives them as Delta IV-12 types, suggesting a later iteration of the design).

Again, these documents are all from the current Caproni-related auction at Mallams, and were saved to this forum so that when the auction ends, they are not lost.
 

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Stargazer said:
It is safe to say that Caproni aircraft had not really taken the measure of aircraft design's rapid evolution when they came up with this somewhat antiquated transport design in 1947...
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Oh, I don't know ... the Ca.191 looks a lot like many of the feederliner designs from those times. (With a more shapely tail, I could see this being a postwar de Havilland design - think DH.95 Flamingo meets DH.114 Heron) Mind you, that glazed nose does give the Caproni an oddly Soviet aspect.

Apologies for any confusion over my "Delta IV-12s". That was just my shorthand for Delta inverted V-12 engines. I wasn't aware that serie III engines were planned. (I've updated that entry now.)

Further on engines, I'd love to know what type of radials were planned for the Ca.191A. In the artist's impression mounted by boxkite, the cowlings make me think of the Alvis Leonides Major. But, perhaps, there was a more suitable, Italian-made candidate at the time?

-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/caproni-ca-190-and-ca-191.5551/#post-345766
 

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