Caproni Ca.197

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In Aerofan n°100, page 16 is briefly described the interesting project of Caproni Ca.197 single seat fighter, dated 1950, powered by two Jumo 004 turbojets or, as option, by two De Havilland Ghost.

Unfortunately, in the magazine the two-view drawings of the two versions with different powerplant were useless, being almost not visible at all, at least in my PDF (official, please note) copy that I bought last week in ebay.

Does anyone can advise if also in the paper copy of the magazine there was the same fault or this was amended ?

It would be nice to see at last the two-view drawings.
 
Hi Carlo,


can you display those drawings,maybe some members here can make it clearer.
 
Yildirim said:
Where were the Jumo004 going to come from?
Czechoslovakia and Soviet Union produced them for Avia S-92 (CSSR version of Me 262) and Yakovlev Yak-15.
 
Yes, the Jumo 004 remained in production in Soviet Union as the Klimov RD-10 and in Czechoslovakia as the Maleshice M-04 and surely was a die-hard engine. But in 1950 was definitely outdated and Soviets from 1947 started to build home versions of Nene and Derwent. I find hard to believe that Caproni may have tought to exhume that engine.
 
carlo961 said:
In Aerofan n°100, page 16 is briefly described the interesting project of Caproni Ca.197 single seat fighter, dated 1950, powered by two Jumo 004 turbojets or, as option, by two De Havilland Ghost.

Unfortunately, in the magazine the two-view drawings of the two versions with different powerplant were useless, being almost not visible at all, at least in my PDF (official, please note) copy that I bought last week in ebay.

Perhaps you would give us a chance to take a look at what you have?
 
carlo961 said:
my PDF (official, please note) copy that I bought last week in ebay.

Am I the only one to find this assertion hilarious??
 
In the meantime I obtained my copy of Aero Fan No 100. Indeed what is published there is quite strange. Take a look at the drawings.

Piotr
 

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Perhaps Ca.197 may have been similar to Ca.195. A two-engined two-seat trainer.

Besides Ca.195 there was also Ca.196, a trainer too.
 

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Hi Petrus,
thanks for post this great drawings. Do you have technical data?
Servus, Maveric
 
Here you've got the drawings of both versions of Ca.197. Actually they seem to be quite different projects - take a look at the engine arrangements, tail and so on.

In the drawing of the Jumo-engined variant shapes of the side-view may be seen (probably the side view was on the other page of the original document).

Cheers
 

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hesham said:
Amazing work my dear Petrus.

It was quite simple. I just asked Mr Apostolo, the editor of AeroFan and he sent me the correct scan.
 
And now you have three-view drawings of the Ca.197 :)

The design was developed in 1950 by Amilcare Porro.

Source: The "Volare" magazine, December 2009

Piotr

EDIT: I've tried to measure the sweep angle of the wings. In 1/4 chord it appears to be 25 degrees.
 

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Petrus said:
Perhaps Ca.197 may have been similar to Ca.195. A two-engined two-seat trainer.

Besides Ca.195 there was also Ca.196, a trainer too.

Hi,

http://www.avia-it.com/act/biblioteca/periodici/PDF%20Riviste/Alata/Alata%201950%2008.pdf
 

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I would love it if someone can find the three side view of the ghost variant.
 
Dear friends,
here the article published in Volare magazine (2009) where you can find a 3-view of the Ca 197 and some info about Ca 204 bomber project.
The article is an interview of Giovanni Caproni, son of Giovanni Battista Caproni.
According to the writer, the Ca 197 was born by Ing. Amilcare Porro in the last '40s and it should be engined with two not better identified Jumo.
I hope you'll enjoy!
 

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From Air Pictorial 1951.
 

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Interesting, I wonder what the C.G.1 gas turbine was? I wonder if it was a Caproni project?
From the description and data it would seem to be lightweight axial-jet, something like the Marboré, if not a little more powerful given the quoted speeds.
 

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