• Hi Guest! Forum rules have been updated. All users please read here.

Caproni Ca.197

carlo961

ACCESS: Restricted
Joined
Feb 15, 2008
Messages
21
Reaction score
4
In Aerofan n°100, page 16 is briefly described the interesting project of Caproni Ca.197 single seat fighter, dated 1950, powered by two Jumo 004 turbojets or, as option, by two De Havilland Ghost.

Unfortunately, in the magazine the two-view drawings of the two versions with different powerplant were useless, being almost not visible at all, at least in my PDF (official, please note) copy that I bought last week in ebay.

Does anyone can advise if also in the paper copy of the magazine there was the same fault or this was amended ?

It would be nice to see at last the two-view drawings.
 

hesham

ACCESS: USAP
Senior Member
Joined
May 26, 2006
Messages
27,602
Reaction score
4,550
Hi Carlo,


can you display those drawings,maybe some members here can make it clearer.
 

bigvlada

ACCESS: Secret
Joined
Jun 30, 2008
Messages
369
Reaction score
28
Yildirim said:
Where were the Jumo004 going to come from?
Czechoslovakia and Soviet Union produced them for Avia S-92 (CSSR version of Me 262) and Yakovlev Yak-15.
 

visvirtusvoluntas

Never Enough
Joined
Aug 29, 2012
Messages
110
Reaction score
25
Yes, the Jumo 004 remained in production in Soviet Union as the Klimov RD-10 and in Czechoslovakia as the Maleshice M-04 and surely was a die-hard engine. But in 1950 was definitely outdated and Soviets from 1947 started to build home versions of Nene and Derwent. I find hard to believe that Caproni may have tought to exhume that engine.
 

Petrus

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Nov 28, 2006
Messages
622
Reaction score
311
carlo961 said:
In Aerofan n°100, page 16 is briefly described the interesting project of Caproni Ca.197 single seat fighter, dated 1950, powered by two Jumo 004 turbojets or, as option, by two De Havilland Ghost.

Unfortunately, in the magazine the two-view drawings of the two versions with different powerplant were useless, being almost not visible at all, at least in my PDF (official, please note) copy that I bought last week in ebay.

Perhaps you would give us a chance to take a look at what you have?
 

Petrus

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Nov 28, 2006
Messages
622
Reaction score
311
In the meantime I obtained my copy of Aero Fan No 100. Indeed what is published there is quite strange. Take a look at the drawings.

Piotr
 

Attachments

  • Ca197_1.png
    Ca197_1.png
    186.4 KB · Views: 605
  • Ca197_2.png
    Ca197_2.png
    162.2 KB · Views: 586
  • Ca197_txt.png
    Ca197_txt.png
    18.4 KB · Views: 573

Petrus

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Nov 28, 2006
Messages
622
Reaction score
311
Perhaps Ca.197 may have been similar to Ca.195. A two-engined two-seat trainer.

Besides Ca.195 there was also Ca.196, a trainer too.
 

Attachments

  • Ca195.png
    Ca195.png
    484.2 KB · Views: 802
  • Ca196.png
    Ca196.png
    601.6 KB · Views: 548

Maveric

Fight for yor Right!
Joined
Jan 14, 2007
Messages
1,992
Reaction score
357
Hi Petrus,
thanks for post this great drawings. Do you have technical data?
Servus, Maveric
 

Petrus

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Nov 28, 2006
Messages
622
Reaction score
311
Here you've got the drawings of both versions of Ca.197. Actually they seem to be quite different projects - take a look at the engine arrangements, tail and so on.

In the drawing of the Jumo-engined variant shapes of the side-view may be seen (probably the side view was on the other page of the original document).

Cheers
 

Attachments

  • Ca.197_Ghost.jpg
    Ca.197_Ghost.jpg
    40.9 KB · Views: 101
  • Ca.197_Jumo.jpg
    Ca.197_Jumo.jpg
    39.3 KB · Views: 93

Petrus

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Nov 28, 2006
Messages
622
Reaction score
311
hesham said:
Amazing work my dear Petrus.

It was quite simple. I just asked Mr Apostolo, the editor of AeroFan and he sent me the correct scan.
 

Petrus

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Nov 28, 2006
Messages
622
Reaction score
311
And now you have three-view drawings of the Ca.197 :)

The design was developed in 1950 by Amilcare Porro.

Source: The "Volare" magazine, December 2009

Piotr

EDIT: I've tried to measure the sweep angle of the wings. In 1/4 chord it appears to be 25 degrees.
 

Attachments

  • Ca.197_3V.png
    Ca.197_3V.png
    278.8 KB · Views: 372

hesham

ACCESS: USAP
Senior Member
Joined
May 26, 2006
Messages
27,602
Reaction score
4,550
Petrus said:
Perhaps Ca.197 may have been similar to Ca.195. A two-engined two-seat trainer.

Besides Ca.195 there was also Ca.196, a trainer too.

Hi,

http://www.avia-it.com/act/biblioteca/periodici/PDF%20Riviste/Alata/Alata%201950%2008.pdf
 

Attachments

  • 1.png
    1.png
    719.9 KB · Views: 212
  • 2.png
    2.png
    281.6 KB · Views: 185

blockhaj

Swedish "want to be" aviation specialist
Joined
Feb 9, 2017
Messages
183
Reaction score
82
I would love it if someone can find the three side view of the ghost variant.
 

Similar threads

Top