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Offline Petrus

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Argentinian unguided rockets
« on: September 01, 2008, 05:03:57 pm »
According to books published in Poland ("Rakiety bojowe 1900-1970" by Burakowski and Sala) and Czechoslovakia ("Vojenske rakety" by Kroulik and Ruzicka) there were several unguided rockets developed in Argentina in the 1950s.
These books mention three particular types:

The A3F artillery rocket.
Caliber: 100 mm or 101.6 mm. Length: 1.22 m. Weight: 28 kg. Warhead weight: 10.5 kg. Range: 8,850 m. Thrust: 387 kp. Max. speed: 400 mps.

The A3H air-to-ground rocket (a derivative of the above-mentioned A3F).
Caliber: 100 or 102 mm. Length: 0.976 m. Weight: 22.7 kg. Warhead weight: 10.4 kg. Range: 5,600 m. Thrust: 383 kp. Max. speed: 284 mps.

The A4M air-to-air rocket.
Caliber: 60 mm. Length: 0.72 m. Weight: 4.36 kg. Warhead weight: 1.58 kg. Range: 6,500 m. Thrust: 260 kp. Max. speed: 104 mps.

Below you may see photos of the rockets from the book by Burakowski and Sala (I am really sorry for the pictures' quality, I photo-copied them from the book several years ago and only now I have scanned the photo-copies).

Interestingly, information on these rockets come, as far as I know, exclusively from souces published in what was then the Warsaw Pact (I suppose that you could find some Soviet/Russian books or magazines where there are notes on the rockets). I have tried to google the rockets, but to no avail, which can mean that the designations given here are not actual.

Nevertheless the rockets must have existed. And the Argentinians (or rather the German engineers hired by the Argentinian authorities) did work on unguided rockets as early as 1940s and 1950s. In a description of almost every indigenous Argentinian (or actually German-Argentinian) aicraft that was developed in that era you may find that it was to be armed e.g. with 75mm unguided rockets. Some time ago I saw in a magazine (I cannot remember what magazine it was, it could most probably be the "Air Enthusiast" or the "Airplane Monthly") a pictorial of the Grumman F9F Panthers in service with the Argentinan Navy's air arm - they had under their wing rockets that were apparently smaller than the US 5-in HVARs. What were they?

So, the issue of the Argentinian unguided rockets remains (to me at least) a little bit misterious matter. Perhaps other members of our forum know more (or almost everything) on the subject?

Best regards,
Piotr


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Re: Argentinian unguided rockets
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2010, 09:36:04 am »
I've just found an Argentinian article at http://movimientoperonista.com/martacurone/ficheros/Las%20grandes%20Realizaciones_emcurone.pdf, which says:

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En ese año de 1954, finalizaron exitosamente las experiencias del cohete A3F,
calibre 10,5 cms., para ser aplicado en aviones de la fuerza aérea, de acuerdo
con las modernas teorías de combate, con la colaboración del Instituto
Aerotécnico y la Dirección General de Fabricaciones Militares.
Los primeros ensayos de lanzamiento en vuelo, estuvieron a cargo del capitán
Conan Jorge Doyle y del ler. Teniente Ruperto Pi Uriz, utilizándose el avión I.A.24
"Calquín".

So, apparently, not only did the A3F exist, but also had a calibre of 105mm, not 100mm as the above mentioned sources said.

Piotr

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Re: Argentinian unguided rockets
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2010, 04:51:15 am »
An Argentinean liquid-fueled rocket was designed as soon as 1947-48.

http://www.jpcoheteria.com.ar/TabanoAN1WEB.pdf

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Re: Argentinian unguided rockets
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2012, 07:26:25 am »
At http://www.nuestromar.org/noticias/mar_calmo_122008_21075_grumman_panther_en_argentina I've just found an interesting photo of the F-9F2 Panther in the Argentinian navy's service. The photo's caption says "Bomba de 500lbs y 2 HVAR de alta velocidad" (it doesn't need translation), but in the photo there is something else: a white rocket, apparently smaller a little bit than the HVAR:
 

 
It can't be any of other rockets used in Argentina, i.e. 2.25-inch SCAR or the French T-10, so most probably it is an indigenous Argentinian rocket, maybe A3H or A3F.
 
Piotr

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Re: Argentinian unguided rockets
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2012, 09:18:08 am »
Marker rocket of some kind?
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Re: Argentinian unguided rockets
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2017, 12:16:33 am »
A photo of the Argentinian navy's Corsair armed with 5-in HVARs and rockets that might be the A3F. Found on an Argentinian forum.

Piotr