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North American Rockwell VTOL / VSTOL projects
« on: March 04, 2006, 07:38:30 am »
Rockwell ... maybe  ???
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Re: North American Rockwell VTOL / VSTOL projects
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2007, 02:32:26 pm »
...and a little bit more on pretty little bird. I just wonder what nickname Rockwell Navy Multimission aircraft would get.
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Re: North American Rockwell VTOL / VSTOL projects
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2007, 10:23:53 am »
North American proposed a VTOL versoin of the good old T-2 Buckeye
(from Flying Review 1965)
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Re: North American Rockwell VTOL / VSTOL projects
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2008, 04:06:11 am »
Hi,

this tailsitter was to have the pilot's canopy area to bend/hinge
for landings/take-offs.

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Re: North American Rockwell VTOL / VSTOL projects
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2008, 11:18:59 am »
This concept was even tested by NASA, using the F-16, see
here http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2140.15.html
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Re: North American Rockwell VTOL / VSTOL projects
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2008, 04:17:36 pm »
It's a North American Rockwell design. I forget the designation. But it's in the large "VTOL Concepts Volume 1" report that's available in PDF. Sorry I can't be more precise, but I'm sure someone knows what I'm yapping about...
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Re: North American Rockwell VTOL / VSTOL projects
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2009, 11:13:18 am »
has this been posted yet? soory if it has

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Re: North American Rockwell VTOL / VSTOL projects
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2009, 10:38:31 am »
Hi,

the North American/Rockwell VTOL Model transport aircraft.
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19680026122_1968026122.pdf
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Re: North American Rockwell VTOL / VSTOL projects
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2011, 07:20:17 am »
[North American NA-249 VTOL proposal from eBay]

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Re: North American Rockwell VTOL / VSTOL projects
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2011, 08:52:29 am »
The pics:

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Re: North American Rockwell VTOL / VSTOL projects
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2012, 01:01:51 am »
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North American proposed a VTOL versoin of the good old T-2 Buckeye
(from Flying Review 1965)

A testbed concept. The J34 turbojet would have been replaced by a J85-GE-5 driving two lift fans.

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Re: North American Rockwell VTOL / VSTOL projects
« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2012, 02:26:41 am »
It's hard to tell from the 3-view, but does this have a tail-mounted fan for pitch control?


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Re: North American Rockwell VTOL / VSTOL projects
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2012, 06:21:03 am »
It's hard to tell from the 3-view, but does this have a tail-mounted fan for pitch control?


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It has a puffer jet with vanes on a short, tail-mounted extension, using bleed gases from the turbines.

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Re: North American Rockwell VTOL / VSTOL projects
« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2013, 01:01:53 am »
Two designs for VTOL transports, the first probably showing the one posted in #8 by hesham.
(The captions says just "transports with the size of the CX-6A", without stating a further relations !)
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Re: North American Rockwell VTOL / VSTOL projects
« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2013, 02:20:02 am »
These are new to me, thanks a lot for sharing, Jens!

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Re: North American Rockwell VTOL / VSTOL projects
« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2013, 06:50:26 pm »
NAA V/STOL Evaluation Vehicle factory model (T2-J Trainer with General Electric Lift Fan System). This Buckeye is considerably more modified than the preliminary design shown earlier in this thread: all-new, larger wing and horizontal stab, larger lift fans, new main landing gear, etc.

Ryan eventually incorporated this G.E. system into a very successful, purpose-built airframe, the XV-5A Vertifan.
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« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2013, 03:11:44 pm »
Wow,Excellent Circle-5.




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« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2014, 02:38:41 pm »
NAA V/STOL Evaluation Vehicle factory model (T2-J Trainer with General Electric Lift Fan System). This Buckeye is considerably more modified than the preliminary design shown earlier in this thread: all-new, larger wing and horizontal stab, larger lift fans, new main landing gear, etc.

Ryan eventually incorporated this G.E. system into a very successful, purpose-built airframe, the XV-5A Vertifan.


From the File; Neueste, senkrecht startende Militärflugzeuge,here is an artist drawing to it.

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Re: North American Rockwell VTOL / VSTOL projects
« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2014, 04:28:13 am »
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Re: North American Rockwell VTOL / VSTOL projects
« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2014, 07:44:39 am »
To the best of my knowledge, the second image depicts a Ryan project, not an NAA one.

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« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2014, 07:54:24 am »
To the best of my knowledge, the second image depicts a Ryan project, not an NAA one.


May be you are right Skyblazer,but hard to judge,what about co-operation between NAA
and Ryan ?.

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Re: North American Rockwell VTOL / VSTOL projects
« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2014, 08:25:13 am »
I'd rate that as somewhere between unlikely and very unlikely (based on current knowledge).

It's much more likely that it was a matter of parallel study contracts issued by the Army to the airframers to see how to best exploit the GE lift Fan technology.


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Re: North American Rockwell VTOL / VSTOL projects
« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2014, 01:38:39 pm »
Thank you Aim9xray,


and for my dear Skyblazer,I think that aircraft was neither NAA nor Ryan,but may be it was
a Douglas design,as you mentioned before;


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D-793........US Army Surveillance Aircraft Study (1960)


and may be it was a V/STOL concept.
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Re: North American Rockwell VTOL / VSTOL projects
« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2014, 09:39:42 pm »
I can't believe that there weren't any VTOL/VSTOL variants of the OV-10 Bronco proposed.  Anyone?
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Re: North American Rockwell VTOL / VSTOL projects
« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2014, 11:07:12 pm »
Not sure, that adding the "V" to an aircraft, that already has good STOL performance
is that profitable.
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Re: North American Rockwell VTOL / VSTOL projects
« Reply #25 on: September 08, 2014, 03:20:27 am »
Not sure, that adding the "V" to an aircraft, that alrteady has good STOL performance
is that profitable.


Anyway my dears Cluttonfred and Jemiba,


we want to know if it was a Douglas D-793 or not ?,OK we can call it STOL concept.

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« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2014, 06:20:37 am »
I have the idea that the illustrations in post 17 & 18 are General Electric concepts
illustrating the many ways their fan in the wing technology could be used...

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« Reply #27 on: September 08, 2014, 06:34:32 am »
Not sure, that adding the "V" to an aircraft, that already has good STOL performance
is that profitable.

Maybe you should check the Elytron concept on the web. The configuration of the Elytron 2S and 7S designs combines CTOL, STOL and VTOL capacity... and all the scale models so far have been promising. The 2-seat demonstrator is currently in construction, and I can't wait to see what will come of it!

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« Reply #28 on: September 08, 2014, 08:13:41 am »
I have the idea that the illustrations in post 17 & 18 are General Electric concepts
illustrating the many ways their fan in the wing technology could be used...


No my dear Lark,


the reply # 17 was the same reply # 15 as NAA T2-J trainer,and the reply # 18 from
Flying magazine was not GE electric design,and to prove that please look to the upper
design,it was a Ryan concept not GE.

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Re: North American Rockwell VTOL / VSTOL projects
« Reply #29 on: September 08, 2014, 01:42:35 pm »
In my humble opinion Hesham , # 15 and # 17 are -not- the same aircraft.
( the wingplanform , air intakes and the undercariage are different)
The last illustration you show is indeed a Ryan Vertifan idea , one of the many...
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« Reply #30 on: September 08, 2014, 02:15:29 pm »
In my humble opinion Hesham , # 15 and # 17 are -not- the same aircraft.
( the wingplanform , air intakes and the undercariage are different)
The last illustration you show is indeed a Ryan Vertifan idea , one of the many...


My dear Lark,


the reply # 15 and # 17 differs only in the first was a Model and the second was asrtist
drawing,but in common,very close designs.


And for the Vertifan,may be GE co-operated with Ryan in development it.

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« Reply #31 on: September 09, 2014, 05:31:37 am »
I'm not convinced.
Besides , in the captions with the artist impressions in the mag.article  there are
no manufacturers names nor designations exept General Electric.
Otherwise the photo's give more info...

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« Reply #32 on: September 09, 2014, 07:01:53 am »
I'm not convinced.
Besides , in the captions with the artist impressions in the mag.article  there are
no manufacturers names nor designations exept General Electric.
Otherwise the photo's give more info...


Ok my dear Lark.

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Re: North American Rockwell VTOL / VSTOL projects
« Reply #33 on: December 04, 2014, 05:04:29 pm »
The NR-365, NR-382 (conveniently reusing the "*82" Lockheed number for the Hercules) and a third, undesignated project, all from TsAGI's Tekhnicheskaya Informatsiya journal No. 17-18, 1980:

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« Reply #34 on: December 05, 2014, 11:37:03 am »
Great find Skyblazer. According NAA's project list the NA-365 was a carrier onboard delivery aircraft for the Navy. That would fit the layout, seems to be a jet engined OV-10 based design. But what's the difference between the NA-xxx and NR-xxx designations?

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« Reply #35 on: December 05, 2014, 11:52:08 am »

An NA-xxx number means it was a North American Aviation product.
An NR-xxx number means it was a North American Rockwell product.

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« Reply #36 on: December 05, 2014, 12:07:28 pm »
Indeed, when Rockwell took over NAA, NR- designations were applied to former NA- ones for programs that were still ongoing.

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« Reply #37 on: December 05, 2014, 12:22:59 pm »
Thanks for the clarification Circle and Skyblazer.

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« Reply #38 on: December 05, 2014, 01:55:38 pm »
Also from 17-18/1980 file,


here is a Rockwell twin-boom aircraft project,but I don't know if it was STOL or
VTOL concept or not ?.

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« Reply #39 on: December 05, 2014, 02:05:38 pm »
here is a Rockwell twin-boom aircraft project,but I don't know if it was STOL or
VTOL concept or not

The acronym "СВВП"means VTOL in Russian.

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« Reply #40 on: December 05, 2014, 03:11:28 pm »
Thank you my dear Skyblazer.

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Re: North American Rockwell VTOL / VSTOL projects
« Reply #41 on: January 28, 2015, 03:24:04 am »
From Flying Review 2/162,


here is a more info about NA VTOL Buckeye.

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« Reply #42 on: March 05, 2015, 05:09:00 am »

may be this aircraft was a side-by-side two seat surveillance VSTOL aircraft version
of VSTOL trainer,page 33;

http://books.google.com.eg/books?id=1ZUDOCzJUrcC&pg=PA16&dq=flying+magazine+jan+1961&hl=en&sa=X&ei=iS8MVOq_GIjDO4_dgdAJ&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAzg8#v=onepage&q=flying%20magazine%20jan%201961&f=false


Hi,


here is the same artist drawing to a VTOL side-by-side two seat aircraft project,I hope to
can ID it.


Самолеты вертикального взлета и посадки (1966)



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Re: North American Rockwell VTOL / VSTOL projects
« Reply #45 on: January 11, 2016, 04:35:35 am »
Hi,

here is a North American/Rockwell proposal for LIT competition (Light Intra-Theater)
STOL transport Model.

http://archive.aviationweek.com/image/spread/19680624/39/2

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« Reply #46 on: January 11, 2016, 05:21:18 am »
Interesting propulsion.  (Looks maybe YC-14/15 sized.)
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