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Offline LowObservable

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Dewoitine D.580 / SNCAM M.580 / Sud-Est SE.580
« on: April 06, 2008, 06:13:04 am »
I saw this beast on a German aviation page a few years ago.
It looks like nothing I have ever heard of. X-24 or vertical-H engine, I would guess, and an enormous installation behind the cockpit - either a supercharger with its own engine (not a turbo, see exhaust stacks) or a Russian-type auxiliary-ramjet set-up, or the radiator.
I think it's probably a mock-up - just a guess from details like the ends of the wing stubs - but of what?
The photo is also blessedly free of cultural cues to where it was designed.

http://www.aviationpics.de/myst/page_12.htm

Modified to reflect the fact that I forgot the pic, sorry Deltafan
« Last Edit: December 19, 2012, 06:08:39 am by Stargazer2006 »

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Re: Dewoitine D.580 / SNCAM M.580 / Sud-Est SE.580
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2008, 07:44:11 am »
Ah, OK, it's better now  ;)

It was the french Sud-Est SE-580 fighter project (SE-582 for the french navy)

At first an Hispano Suiza 24 Z (2500 hp) with contraprop was foreseen. But there were too big problems with this engine and an Arsnal 24 H (from the german Jumo 213) was chosen. With the change of the engine there was a lot to change on the plane. At this time the jet fighters seemed to be the future and Sud-Est had enough works. The 580 was cancelled at first and the 582 a few later.

Two prototypes were ordered in 1944 but they were not finished when the program was cancelled at the end of 1947.   

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Re: Dewoitine D.580 / SNCAM M.580 / Sud-Est SE.580
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2008, 07:50:26 am »
Are you talking about "mystery0239.jpg"?. It is the mock-up of fighter project SE580/582 with Hispano-Suiza 24Z engine (3000 hp)

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Re: Dewoitine D.580 / SNCAM M.580 / Sud-Est SE.580
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2008, 10:27:03 am »
Thanks, guys. That one was a complete mystery.

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Re: Dewoitine D.580 / SNCAM M.580 / Sud-Est SE.580
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2008, 09:09:47 am »
 Once again uncompleted image.
But giving more full presentation.
 
    Marek Rys http://www.airart3d.ovh.org/

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Re: Dewoitine D.580 / SNCAM M.580 / Sud-Est SE.580
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2008, 10:06:26 am »
The SE.580
It takes a long time, before all mistakes are made ...

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Re: Dewoitine D.580 / SNCAM M.580 / Sud-Est SE.580
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2008, 06:58:57 am »
So, what is the massive structure behind the cockpit for?

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Re: Dewoitine D.580 / SNCAM M.580 / Sud-Est SE.580
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2008, 08:29:47 am »
So, what is the massive structure behind the cockpit for?

Air intake for the radiator

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Re: Dewoitine D.580 / SNCAM M.580 / Sud-Est SE.580
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2010, 01:23:21 pm »
I like this aircraft a lot. Here you can find more pictures:

http://www.geocities.com/unicraftmodels/on/se580/se580.htm

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Re: Dewoitine D.580 / SNCAM M.580 / Sud-Est SE.580
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2010, 02:25:35 pm »
The pilot had a blind spot. It's fatal.

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Re: Dewoitine D.580 / SNCAM M.580 / Sud-Est SE.580
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2010, 03:29:05 pm »
Rather OT but can anyone confirm that the Hispano-Suiza 24H and Type 82 are the same engine?

The image of the preserved HS-24H came from a blog which included the phrase "... un moteur Hispano-Suiza type 24 Z 82 - 24 cylindres en H ..." http://le-reve-d-icare.over-blog.com/15-index.html

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Re: Dewoitine D.580 / SNCAM M.580 / Sud-Est SE.580
« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2010, 06:15:14 pm »
The SE580 was the last Dewoitine D.520 derivative. The intake also served to feed a turbocompressor.

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Re: Dewoitine D.580 / SNCAM M.580 / Sud-Est SE.580
« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2012, 02:13:57 pm »
Hi,


we know SNCAM company,and it developed the M.580 (formally Dewoitine D.580),
it was a fighter project,led to develop the SNCASE SE.580;


http://forum.aviation-ancienne.fr/t6893-le-m580-sncam-vous-connaissez

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Re: Dewoitine D.580 / SNCAM M.580 / Sud-Est SE.580
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2012, 03:10:19 am »
Hi all
Some variations ,from "Le fana de l'aviation"

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Re: Dewoitine D.580 / SNCAM M.580 / Sud-Est SE.580
« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2012, 03:42:42 am »
Great find my dear Toura.