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Re: Boeing Confident in Production of Super Hornet Beyond 2017
« Reply #60 on: September 14, 2017, 11:57:58 am »
"Buying Super Hornet fighter jets would cost Canada more than $6B, U.S. government confirms"
by David Pugliese

September 12, 2017

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http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/buying-super-hornet-fighter-jets-would-cost-canada-more-than-6-billion-u-s-government-confirms

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It will cost Canada more than $6 billion to buy 18 American-made Super Hornet fighter jets, the U.S. government announced Tuesday, even as a trade dispute that threatens the deal remains unresolved.

The Liberal government’s plans to buy the planes, intended as a stopgap measure until the purchase of a replacement fleet for Canada’s aging CF-18s, was derailed when the jet’s manufacturer, Boeing, filed a trade complaint against Bombardier over the Quebec company’s civilian passenger jets.

It is unclear whether the Super Hornet purchase will ever be completed, as Boeing has ignored Canadian government demands to drop the complaint that could see the Trump administration enforce tariffs on Bombardier aircraft being sold in the U.S.

On Tuesday, the U.S. State Department outlined for the first time the extent of the proposed deal and its cost to Canadian taxpayers.

he estimated price tag for the Super Hornet package is US $5.23 billion — or nearly $6.4 billion according to current exchange rates — according to a notice issued by the State Department. The notice of a potential sale is required by U.S. law and does not mean the sale has been concluded, the statement added.

That price goes well beyond the aircraft themselves, which are estimated to cost around US $77 million each; rather, it includes advanced targeting systems, spare parts, initial training and some maintenance, and almost 170 missiles.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau will meet with British Prime Minister Theresa May next week to discuss the trade dispute with Boeing. May asked U.S. President Donald Trump last week to intervene in the situation, as the British government is concerned about the impact on jobs at Bombardier’s plant in Belfast, Northern Ireland.

In April, while on its way to wrapping up the Super Hornet deal, Boeing complained to the U.S. government that Bombardier was receiving government subsidies which allowed it to sell its C-Series civilian passenger aircraft at below-market prices. The U.S. Commerce Department and International Trade Commission then launched an investigation, which is ongoing.

That prompted the Liberals to start backing away from the Super Hornet deal, although federal officials acknowledged they were still talking with the U.S. government over acquiring fighter aircraft. “It is not the behaviour of a trusted partner,” Sajjan said of Boeing in a late May speech to defence industry executives unprecedented in its criticisms of the company.

Marc Allen, Boeing’s president of international business, said the company took its action to ensure a level playing field in the industry. He said Boeing believes that global trade only works if everyone plays by the same rules. That wasn’t the case for Bombardier, he argued. Boeing has also said the Super Hornet deal should not be connected to a commercial trade dispute.

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Re: Boeing Confident in Production of Super Hornet Beyond 2017
« Reply #61 on: September 14, 2017, 12:10:36 pm »
In F-35 math that comes to $360 million a pop. Good thing they're trying to save face money.
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Re: Boeing Confident in Production of Super Hornet Beyond 2017
« Reply #63 on: September 22, 2017, 01:33:27 pm »
Since this is the most active F-18 thread, I am posting this here.  It is an aerial display in Switzerland and shows maneuvering performance I haven't seen in previous F-18 displays.


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Re: Boeing Confident in Production of Super Hornet Beyond 2017
« Reply #64 on: September 22, 2017, 04:46:35 pm »
"Boeing seeks quick legal fix to stop Bombardier"
by Dominic Gates

Originally published September 21, 2017 at 8:37 pm Updated September 21, 2017 at 10:22 pm

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http://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/boeing-expects-a-quick-fix-on-dispute-with-bombardier/

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Re: Boeing Confident in Production of Super Hornet Beyond 2017
« Reply #65 on: September 25, 2017, 05:19:59 pm »
aerial display in Switzerland and shows maneuvering performance I haven't seen in previous F-18 displays.



Might have to do with the Swiss´ Classic Hornets (late 90´s production) having a max. G-rating of 9+ instead of the earlier US Navy´s 7.5+ limit and having no angle-of-attack limiter.

https://www.milavia.net/airshows/display-teams/swiss-hornet-display/#img/5

I´m not 100% sure but I think the Finnish Hornets have the same capability.
« Last Edit: September 25, 2017, 05:38:30 pm by Dreamfighter »

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Re: Boeing Confident in Production of Super Hornet Beyond 2017
« Reply #66 on: September 25, 2017, 06:29:44 pm »
Yup, IIRC they even have certain parts made out of titanium rather than aluminium to enable that rating. Part of the impressive visuals in that video is also that you have a varied background to judge the speed of its motions against.

I've seen them do some of that stuff at Axalp, and it ranks among my favourite aviation memories :)

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Re: Boeing Confident in Production of Super Hornet Beyond 2017
« Reply #67 on: September 26, 2017, 09:33:57 am »
aerial display in Switzerland and shows maneuvering performance I haven't seen in previous F-18 displays.



Might have to do with the Swiss´ Classic Hornets (late 90´s production) having a max. G-rating of 9+ instead of the earlier US Navy´s 7.5+ limit and having no angle-of-attack limiter.

This was one of the best displays I've ever seen and it's very impressive to see a Classic pulling some of those moves without benefit of TVC.

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Re: Boeing Confident in Production of Super Hornet Beyond 2017
« Reply #68 on: September 26, 2017, 10:16:11 am »
Yup, IIRC they even have certain parts made out of titanium rather than aluminium to enable that rating.

Is that Swiss-specific or C/D in general?
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Re: Boeing Confident in Production of Super Hornet Beyond 2017
« Reply #69 on: September 26, 2017, 10:30:25 am »
Swiss-specific, although as Dreamfighter mentioned, it might apply to Finland's fleet too.


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Re: Boeing Confident in Production of Super Hornet Beyond 2017
« Reply #71 on: October 12, 2017, 02:50:01 am »
I wonder if 'no buying Boeing aircraft' would include the Australian legacy Hornets being considered. Would paying Boeing to SLEP more of their CF-18s be out of the picture as well? If so that'd either mean a wind-down of the RCAF for the next ~4 years, or the 'interim' acquisition of either the F-35 or a European fighter, wouldn't it?

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Re: Boeing Confident in Production of Super Hornet Beyond 2017
« Reply #73 on: December 06, 2017, 12:30:35 pm »
Can't get much more interim than that.