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Re: Mustang Variants
« Reply #45 on: December 02, 2016, 06:59:54 pm »
This was supposedly a proposal that North American had come up with in case the war had continued.  As you can see, it had forward swept wings as well as an advanced (specifically how I don't know), a Westinghouse jet engine in the rear fuselage and a tricycle undercarriage.

I ran across this in NARA during this week in the Sarah Clark Files. Apparently this was an unsolicited proposal that NAA gave to the USAAF in the hopes of maybe pushing the Mustang forward.

USAAF took a look, and said... "hmm...nope."

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Re: Mustang Variants
« Reply #46 on: December 02, 2016, 07:01:44 pm »
This book does have 1 or 2 pages of details and pictures about a rocket-powered P-51.

"P-51D Flash" Program. Begun during the winter of 1944/45 to counter German Jet fighters. Was intended to counter them by providing the P-51 and P-47 with a brief one time burst of speed to 500~ MPH to catch up with jets.

Damn, I wish Steve Pace was still with us. He'd love the stuff I found.  :-[

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Re: Mustang Variants
« Reply #47 on: December 02, 2016, 07:08:03 pm »
The AAF during the development of the P-51H just could not make up it's mind over armament:

4 x .50 cal
6 x .50 cal
4 x .60 cal
4 x 20mm

They tried pushing a 4 x 20mm armed pair of wings onto NAA, to which NAA replied "sorry, we're too busy with detail engineering on the P-51H and P-82 project to do a change order for 20mm in the P-51H."

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Re: Mustang Variants
« Reply #48 on: June 06, 2017, 03:26:20 pm »
Last week I ran across the following document in the P-51 folder at NARA II in P-26 Sarah Clark:

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RVS:WW:ms 3-3

January 30, 1943

Production Engineering Section
Pursuit Branch

Attention:                Lt. P.M. Hollowell

Serial Numbers for P-51's 452.1

1. Confirming our conversation, the following Serial Numbers were assigned:

a. Contract AC-30479, North American, Inglewood.

100       P-51A1       43-6003 through 43-6102
210       P-51A5       43-6103 through 43-6312
400       P-51B5       43-6313 through 43-6712
490       P-51D1       43-6713 through 43-7202
550       P-51D1       43-106429 through 42-106978

b. New Numbers Assigned:

150       P-51D1       43-24752 through 43-24901

c. Contract AC-33940, North American, Dallas,

400       P-51C1       42-102979 through 42-103378
600       P-51E1       42-103379 through 42-103978

d. New Numbers Assigned:

350       P-51E1       43-24902 through 43-25251

W. D. ECHERT
Colonel, Air Corps
Executive
for Statistical Control

1 cy. to Records Branch
             Air Service Command

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I did some checking of various online serial numbers; and the very first P-51E-1, 42-103379; was completed as a P-51C-7 and it was written off as beyond repair on 19 August 1944 (https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=113543)

Likewise, the last P-51E-1 of the first set (42-103978) was completed as a P-51C (http://www.aircorpsaviation.com/Websites/aircorpsaviation/Images/Combined%20Files/60J-51.pdf).

I wish Steve was still with us.  :-[

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Re: Mustang Variants
« Reply #49 on: June 07, 2017, 05:26:50 pm »
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Mustang progression
« Reply #50 on: May 24, 2018, 06:42:59 am »
Hello

Was there plan for P 51 Mustang follower with 20 - 30 mm cannons and contra props or 8 bladed propeller ( maybe forward swept wings, I am not sure) ?
Someting with R mentioned in the name. I am not sure is this real "what if" Project or somebodys imagination.
I remeber seeing an 1:48 plastic model or RC build  picture in internet, but can`t find  that  picture.
Please can somebody help ?

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Re: Mustang progression
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Re: Mustang Variants
« Reply #52 on: June 04, 2018, 08:04:04 pm »
Cutaway Mustang F.T.B.Griffon mid engine, author WEAL and modified by Motocar

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Re: Mustang Variants
« Reply #53 on: June 05, 2018, 05:32:58 am »
Nice, interesting you drawn in cuffed prop blades ---- my conversation I've had with David Birch who co-wrote the Rolls Royce Heritage Trust book called RR and the Mustang, said it would have been a De Havilland prop. He also told me it would have been armed with three 20mm cannon.  It wouldn't have had the wing root leading edge extension either, RR used wings from issued 'surplus to requirement' Mustang Mk.1.  There is actually a 1/10 scale wind tunnel model of it still in existence where I was able to check my model dimensions from.  At the time though, it was a Private Venture Fighter, not a Flying Test Bed.

Like this below.
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