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Offline RyanC

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Fieseler Fi-103 (V 1) development, variants and derivatives
« on: August 20, 2007, 10:45:32 pm »
Okay, we all know about the Manned V-1s; but were there any other "paper projects" done for bigger, larger, faster, further ranged V-1s?

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Re: Fieseler Fi-103 (V 1) development, variants and derivatives
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2007, 12:06:04 am »
I think Le Fana had some interesting stuff on the subject some years ago.
But I've lost my acess to a scanner... I've to found another way of scanning documents now
Conservatoire de l'Air et de l'Espace d'Aquitaine
http://www.caea.info/en/plan.php

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Re: Fieseler Fi-103 (V 1) development, variants and derivatives
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2007, 04:52:01 am »
nice joke pometablava

back to V-1
Not much Document survive the War
and WWW is full of Wacky Ideas Wat-if V-1 that fiction only

there was vague plans of use of V-1 on U-Boat. (Projekt Amerika ???)
or Use Bombers as Mobil Air launch platform for Fiesler 103

to Manned V-1 Fieseler Fi.103R Reichenberg
who don't know. the SS officer Otto Skorzeny had the idea of a piloted version of the V-1
Selbstopferflugzeug (self-sacrifice aircraft) for Point attack.
the Original Idea was that Pilot  bail out  befor impact (chance to survive that is ZERO%)
until Himmler hears of Selbstopferflugzeug and Declare: the Mission has to be fly by suicidal, Sick, criminal!


Fiesler 103 flugtorpedo by Gotha http://www.luft46.com/oddities/v1boat.html
the firma Gotha  proposal to use the V-1 for lowlevel attack on Battleship or Dams


by the way as i look for V-1 Data in my books i found article (with Picture) of a Me163 as Torpedo Bomber ! intrest ?




« Last Edit: August 28, 2007, 04:54:29 am by Michel Van »
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Re: Fieseler Fi-103 (V 1) development, variants and derivatives
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2007, 04:46:55 pm »
Quote
by the way as i look for V-1 Data in my books i found article (with Picture) of a Me163 as Torpedo Bomber ! intrest ?

yes, please.

I think the Me 328 also has a Torpedo Bomber version (I could try to find this info in my library).

For V-1 improved variants, Ryan, you could read this info from Andreas Parsch:

http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app1/ltv-n-2.html


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Re: Fieseler Fi-103 (V 1) development, variants and derivatives
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2007, 02:14:39 am »
nice joke pometablava

back to V-1
Not much Document survive the War
and WWW is full of Wacky Ideas Wat-if V-1 that fiction only

there was vague plans of use of V-1 on U-Boat. (Projekt Amerika ???)
or Use Bombers as Mobil Air launch platform for Fiesler 103

to Manned V-1 Fieseler Fi.103R Reichenberg
who don't know. the SS officer Otto Skorzeny had the idea of a piloted version of the V-1
Selbstopferflugzeug (self-sacrifice aircraft) for Point attack.
the Original Idea was that Pilot  bail out  befor impact (chance to survive that is ZERO%)
until Himmler hears of Selbstopferflugzeug and Declare: the Mission has to be fly by suicidal, Sick, criminal!


Fiesler 103 flugtorpedo by Gotha http://www.luft46.com/oddities/v1boat.html
the firma Gotha  proposal to use the V-1 for lowlevel attack on Battleship or Dams


by the way as i look for V-1 Data in my books i found article (with Picture) of a Me163 as Torpedo Bomber ! intrest ?






Some of the pics were on Le Fana article I've mentioned before ;)
Conservatoire de l'Air et de l'Espace d'Aquitaine
http://www.caea.info/en/plan.php

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Re: Fieseler Fi-103 (V 1) development, variants and derivatives
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2007, 09:05:11 am »
According to the book Peenemünde West by Botho Stüwe (Augsburg, Munich 1998) there were plans for at least three types of improvement to the unpiloted version of the Fi 103 (pages 678 - 681):

A long range version, to be called Fi 103 F-1. It was to have an enlarged fuel tank, but a smaller warhead, whose weight was to be reduced to about 530 kilogrammes. To compensate for the smaller size of the warhead, its filling was to consist of "Trialen", which was considered a more powerful explosive than the original filling (some of the ingredients of Trialen were TNT and aluminum powder). The enlarged tank was to contain 1025 litres of fuel.
The new range was to be 345 kilometers with "E1" fuel and 370 kilometers with "E2" fuel. A further improvement was planned with a range of 500 kilometers. Since the compressed air in the spherical storage tank was not sufficient to pump fuel and actuate control surfaces for this long distance, and since there was not enough room for an enlarged air tank, a crude compressor, driven by the pulsejet would have had to be installed on the 500 kilometer version.

Improved powerplants: An improved pulsejet from Argus, the type 044.
The firms Porsche and BMW were given orders to develop turbojets as powerplants. The Porsche engine was planned to weigh about 200 kilogrammes and was to give the Fi 103 a range of 700 kilometers and a top speed of 900 km/h.

An improved guidance system: a direction finding transmitter was to be installed in the Fi 103. At a predetermined period after launch, this was to send an impulse that was to be picked up by two separate direction finding receivers. From this impulse the position and speed of the missile could be calculated, which in turn helped to determine to correct any deviation from its ideal course and the necessary corrections, which were transmitted back to the missile.

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Re: Fieseler Fi-103 (V 1) development, variants and derivatives
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2007, 09:59:40 am »
Sorry, but the name is not Fiesler. It must be Fieseler.

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Re: Fieseler Fi-103 (V 1) development, variants and derivatives
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2007, 09:40:46 am »
Hi,

A trainer version of Fiesler piloted V-1.
http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/German%20Suicidal%20Aircraft.htm

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Re: Fieseler Fi-103 (V 1) development, variants and derivatives
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2007, 11:55:08 am »
(Sorry for my english)

According to Roger Ford's book "Germany's Secret Weapons of WWII" the long-range V-1 (Fi-103F-1) was put into production in 1945 and used against UK from 3.March.1945, when the German army lost the territories, from where they can attack London with "standard" V-1.

Trialen 105 was a mixture of 70% TNT, 15% RDX and 15% aluminium powder.

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Re: Fieseler Fi-103 (V 1) development, variants and derivatives
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2008, 02:08:53 pm »
Wat so special on version Fi-103R-III and  Fi-103R-IV. ???
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Re: Fieseler Fi-103 (V 1) development, variants and derivatives
« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2008, 03:34:49 pm »
extra fuel tank/different warhead?
IV almost looks like an intake... but that is surely not its purpose. Shaped charge maybe?

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Re: Fieseler Fi-103 (V 1) development, variants and derivatives
« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2008, 03:12:57 am »
.. and the R-III seems to have a landing skid ...      ???
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Re: Fieseler Fi-103 (V 1) development, variants and derivatives
« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2008, 05:11:23 am »
According to German Aircraft of the Second World War by Smith and Kay, the Fi 103R-I had ballast in place of the warhead, skids and landing flaps but no pulsejet and was used for the test programme; the R-II was similar but had a second cockpit in the nose section for training; the R-III had the pulsejet, skids and landing flaps but no warhead and was to be used for advanced training; and the operational R-IV had the pulsejet, warhead and no landing aids. This of course leaves the last variant in the picture with the different nose unidentified.