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Re: F-4E(S) & F-4X
« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2007, 08:03:42 am »
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Re: F-4E(S) & F-4X
« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2007, 01:09:19 am »
Ok, great!!!!


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Re: F-4E(S) & F-4X
« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2007, 12:11:29 pm »
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I think a profile could be easy produced replacing the photo nose from dan_inbox's RF-4X posted profile with an F-4E fighter nose.

And so I done. A toke the F-4E nose from Enzo Angelucci's "The American Fighter" profile and here it is!

An F-4X :o

Next step could be the addition of a couple of Seekbat AAM under the wings 8)
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There is no info at "The American Fighter" about the F-4X but another interceptor project it's listed but not described

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F-4T: more advanced version, never built, of the F-4E for air defense and interception and interception, armed with six missiles

It was a low cost IMI proposal? ???

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Re: F-4E(S) & F-4X
« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2007, 02:07:57 pm »
I think Joe Baugher also mention a Phantom with Phoenix... it was proposed after the failure of the F-111B.
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Re: F-4E(S) & F-4X
« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2007, 11:38:30 am »
F-4T was, at one point, a single-seat version of the F-4E that was proposed to the Luftwaffe (they eventually bought the F-4F instead).

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Re: F-4E(S) & F-4X
« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2007, 12:27:39 pm »
Found this
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F-4L - Designation applied to several proposals for an advanced version, including Model 98FOA with RR Spey turbofan engines and AIM-54 Phoenix missiles.
here:

http://mgrcentral.com/a/Top/News/Weather/Marine/295045/F-4+Phantom+II+variants.html


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Re: F-4E(S) & F-4X
« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2007, 12:44:38 pm »
At one time,didn't McDonnell Douglas pitch a single seat F-4 as a low cost export fighter? IIRC,a version of the Crusader was also offered,but in the end,the F-5 series was the winner.

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Re: F-4E(S) & F-4X
« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2007, 01:04:02 pm »
At one time,didn't McDonnell Douglas pitch a single seat F-4 as a low cost export fighter? IIRC,a version of the Crusader was also offered,but in the end,the F-5 series was the winner.

Another version of the F-4T.

I've also seen a McAir document that was in Jay Miller's possession that listed the F-4L as a Spey-powered equivalent of the F-4E.

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Re: F-4E(S) & F-4X
« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2007, 02:05:44 pm »
AIM-54 Phoenix capable means AN/AWG-9 radar?

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Re: F-4E(S) & F-4X
« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2007, 02:40:23 pm »
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At one time,didn't McDonnell Douglas pitch a single seat F-4 as a low cost export fighter? IIRC,a version of the Crusader was also offered,but in the end,the F-5 series was the winner.

It was the IFA (International Fighter Aircraft program from 1970 for US Allies. Potential customers: South Vietnam, South Korea and Taiwan). McDD submited a "less complex and lightened version of the F-4E" Quoted from: F-16 Aerograph I by Jay Miller (No references if it was a single seater).
The winner design was the Northrop F-5-21 later designated as F-5E.

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Re: F-4E(S) & F-4X
« Reply #25 on: December 15, 2007, 06:42:39 pm »
Apologies for bumping this, but structurally, how was the Phantom supposed to take the addition of another 40,000 pounds worth of weight in the water?

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Re: F-4E(S) & F-4X
« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2008, 06:50:59 am »
RF-4X artwork from a cost report.
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Re: F-4E(S) & F-4X
« Reply #27 on: June 09, 2009, 01:14:38 am »
ı believe the water capacity was for 5000 pounds or so , enough for 10 minutes of flight .

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Re: F-4E(S) & F-4X
« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2009, 10:39:05 am »
r16, you have confused the liquid capacity of the slipper tanks with the wight of their contents. 5000 gals US of water = 41,750 lbs. The capacity is the same in all the sources I have seen. Comparing the photographs and three views of the F4X with those of the proposed Boeing upgrade with 1100 gal US conformal tank, I find it hard to believe the sources for the capacity of these proposed slipper tanks. By eye they look to have about half the quoted capacity if that. Perhaps someone can clear up the disconnect here. This bird would have been lifting out on the far side of a hundred thousand pounds all up with that weight of water and the additions to equipment and airframe. I am not surprised it didn't make to a flight article. On the information available it looks rather unworkable. Cheers

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Re: F-4E(S) & F-4X
« Reply #29 on: December 16, 2010, 01:01:46 pm »
All the sources I have reviewed have reported 5,000 US gallons of water/methanol (40,000 lbs - Not!). The correction to this should read 5,000 pounds. Since 1 gal water weighs 8 pounds, each conformal tank could contain about 312 US gal (equivalent to splitting the 600 gal center-line tank into two sections and mounting to each side of the spline). To generate additional 9,000 lbf (150%) per engine, one gallon of water per second must be injected into the engine and accelerated to 1500 MPH via after-burner. Therefore, 625 gal of water being delivered at 2 gal per sec = 312 sec. or about 5 minutes. TOW should be about 55,000 lbs (600 gal centerline, two 370 gal pylon tanks and two 312 gal conformal water tanks). All but the conformal water tanks would need to be jettisoned before the high-speed dash. Reference image in reply #17 and picture F-4X 03 in reply #33. Preferably, a low-drag 1100 gal conformal belly fuel tank (Boeing proposal) would not require jettisoning. Bingo fuel after the proposed recon profile should be about 3,500 lbs. 'Hope this clarifies and adds to existing info.
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