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Mirage F1 projects
« on: February 20, 2006, 12:19:11 pm »
Aeronavale Plan recommends a naval Mirage F1/M53 to replace the Jaguar M.

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M53 engine expected to equip future Mirage F1; final 20 of 105 for Armee De L'Air to have M53, giving top speed of Mach 2.5. J79 engined version expected for export to J79-using countries like Netherlands, Belgium, Italy.
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Re: Mirage F1 projects
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2006, 12:40:28 pm »
That's can't be true... Do you know the whatif modeler forum, overscan? I imagined exactly what it is describe here.
 - navalising the F-1/M53 to replace the Jaguar M-
In this case, be sure that the F-1M53 would also have replaced the Crusaders as naval interceptor... So now I know that my idea was not pure whatif! This was clearly the more obvious, logical choice to make!
Common aircraft for French Air Force and Aeronavale is the logic of the Rafale...
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Re: Mirage F1 projects
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2012, 02:09:50 pm »
Although there are people saying not possible, the M53 was solely intended for those countries in the Buy of the Century deal which finished with the selection of the F16. The French Air Force was more or less forced to order the aircraft.
I do recommend the doubters to read publications about the Dutch/Danish/Norwegian /Belgian F16 buy.........

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Re: Mirage F1 projects
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2012, 02:34:40 pm »
"Although there are people saying not possible, the M53 was solely intended for those countries in the Buy of the Century deal which finished with the selection of the F16."

Errrr....no. Also a rank outsider for RAF's ASR.395.

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Re: Mirage F1 projects
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2012, 03:26:16 am »
some pictures from old magazines

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Re: Mirage F1 projects
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2012, 04:05:39 am »
Below is a poor quality picture of the M53 being installed into a Mirage F1.

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Re: Mirage F1 projects
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2012, 04:08:23 am »
Line drawings of the Mirage F1 with M53 and usual 9K50.

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Re: Mirage F1 projects
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2012, 04:42:59 am »
Here is the Mirage F1-M53. It was originally called the Mirage F1E, before that designation was re-used.
 
It was longer, had a more rounded nose, enlarged intakes, more internal fuel, retractable inflight refueling probe, and strengthened undercarriage. The new engine afforded a blistering top speed of Mach 2,5.
« Last Edit: May 14, 2012, 04:46:55 am by kaiserbill »

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« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2012, 04:50:49 am »
Another couple.
 
The first one shows the subtle differences, particularly around the nose area.
 
The second one shows what appears to be a retractable refuelling probe (?). I'm not sure why they went for this, instead of the far neater probe as found on the South African Mirage F1AZ's, but it may have to do with radar antenna interference? Unless of course it is only on the proposed maritime variant and not the land F1E-M53.
It appears to be the same as the line drawing posted by Ivran above.
« Last Edit: May 14, 2012, 05:04:06 am by kaiserbill »

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« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2012, 08:48:46 am »
Wasn't this model offered up, in addition to the Viggen, as a competitor to the F-16 for NATO back in the day?
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Re: Mirage F1 projects
« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2012, 09:47:00 am »
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Wasn't this model offered up, in addition to the Viggen, as a competitor to the F-16 for NATO back in the day?

Yes, it was.

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« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2012, 11:17:03 am »
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Wasn't this model offered up, in addition to the Viggen, as a competitor to the F-16 for NATO back in the day?

Yes, it was.

What was the earliest then that the Mirage F1 M53 could have attained production status?
 
 

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« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2012, 11:37:09 am »
my inspiration at work

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Re: Mirage F1 projects
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2012, 12:08:58 pm »
Some lovely shots here. May i ask , what radar was intended for Mirage F-1E(M53)? Was it  called Cyrano-500, which aparently is the precursor ( (or initial name) for RDM?

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Re: Mirage F1 projects
« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2012, 12:20:35 pm »
Some lovely shots here. May i ask , what radar was intended for Mirage F-1E(M53)? Was it  called Cyrano-500, which aparently is the precursor ( (or initial name) for RDM?

Thank you. :)

Not sure. The original specification stated that the F1E (M53) would be fitted with "multirole avionics".