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Offline Tophe

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Re: De Monge projects
« Reply #30 on: September 25, 2011, 10:26:23 pm »
And a VG (retractable wing way) De Monge project of 1934, also from the same great magazine...

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Re: De Monge projects
« Reply #31 on: September 26, 2011, 09:30:07 am »
Marvelous projects my dear Tophe,


Thank you very much,and for Hanriot projects,I will open a new
topic for it.

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Re: De Monge projects
« Reply #32 on: October 02, 2011, 09:43:34 am »
From Le Trait d'Union #224 Nov-Dec 2005: a Louis De Monge flying wing airliner project, 1934.

It is funny because the same aircraft appears on the front page of a document signed by Rolland Payen around 1940, and with Payen name written on the fins!
 

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Re: De Monge projects
« Reply #33 on: October 02, 2011, 08:35:55 pm »
I required expert analyze from our Payen expert: dear Deltafan.
Si le dessin de couverture n'est pas un Payen, ça expliquerait pourquoi l'article n'en parle pas (les seuls Payen cités sont uniquement ceux que l'on trouve dans l'ouvrage d'Alain Pelletier : Les ailes volantes). Maintenant pourquoi y a-t-il marqué Payen sur ce dessin de de Monge ? Sais pas. Peut-être une simple erreur de l'éditeur et/ou une confusion avec d'autres projets Payen, comme le projet Pa.361 TP de 1937, qui a vaguement la forme de ce de Monge ?
In English: If the cover drawing is not a Payen, that would explain why the included article does not mention it (the only mentionned Payen being the ones found in Alain Pelletier's book "Flying Wings"). Well, why is it written PAYEN on the De Monge design? I don't know. Maybe a mistake by the publisher and/or a confusion with other Payen projects, like the Pa.361TP of 1937, which has a similar layout (?).
Thanks a lot, Deltafan, it is nice to have such experts among us! explaining puzzle mysteries...

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Re: De Monge projects
« Reply #34 on: October 02, 2011, 09:51:55 pm »
Thanks Tophe and Deltafan. Indeed, not a word on this cover project in Payen article.
BTW, is there a drawing available of this Payen 361TP of similar layout?
Thanks in advance.

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Re: De Monge projects
« Reply #35 on: October 03, 2011, 12:23:49 am »
I have thorougly examined all the info I have on Payen, but I couldn't come across anything about the De Monge-Payen flying wing as shown in the drawings above. I hope someone can clarify this because it's extremely interesting!

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Re: De Monge projects
« Reply #36 on: October 03, 2011, 04:51:04 am »
Thanks Tophe and Deltafan. Indeed, not a word on this cover project in Payen article.
BTW, is there a drawing available of this Payen 361TP of similar layout?
Thanks in advance.

 

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Re: De Monge projects
« Reply #37 on: October 03, 2011, 04:56:01 am »
Great pic! However I wouldn't call this design "similar". In profile form there may be similarities, but the planform is completely different.

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Re: De Monge projects
« Reply #38 on: October 03, 2011, 05:06:55 am »
Ahem, i don't know the good translation for : comme le projet Pa.361 TP de 1937, qui a vaguement la forme de ce de Monge  ;)

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Re: De Monge projects
« Reply #39 on: October 03, 2011, 05:12:32 am »
Ahem, i don't know the good translation for : comme le projet Pa.361 TP de 1937, qui a vaguement la forme de ce de Monge  ;)

"... such as the Pa.361 TP project of 1937, the shape of which is vaguely reminiscent of the De Monge..."

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Re: De Monge projects
« Reply #40 on: October 03, 2011, 05:20:48 am »
Thanks  :)

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Re: De Monge projects
« Reply #41 on: October 03, 2011, 05:29:46 am »
BUT... all of this still doesn't explain why this picture clearly depicting the De Monge flying wing has the typical "NR-Payen" mention on the tail... My two cents is that Payen designed that for De Monge, or De Monge for Payen, it must have been a joint work at any rate.


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Re: De Monge projects
« Reply #42 on: October 03, 2011, 06:29:21 am »
A closer look on both drawing showing some minor changes
in the tailplane look.Two different artists or designs ?

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Re: De Monge projects
« Reply #43 on: October 03, 2011, 06:48:44 am »
A closer look on both drawing showing some minor changes
in the tailplane look.Two different artists or designs ?

I should think NOT. Take a look at this image: I have superimposed both designs after matching the scales and the orientation. I did NOT resize any elements separately not distort anything. As you can see, the shape and position of every element (wings, engine, cockpit, every rib and panel) is THE SAME (except for the tail fins). To me these are just two stages of the exact same design.

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Re: De Monge projects
« Reply #44 on: October 03, 2011, 07:06:18 am »
For those who are interested, a link to the Payen section over in Designation Systems.
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