mz said:I haven't seen anything surprising yet...
GeorgeA said:We in the US aren't going to do much to him, but the real danger for ol' Julian is that he gets cocky and starts releasing Israeli or Russian material.
GeorgeA said:The real shock to me is that a shmendrick like Manning could get his hands on all this stuff seemingly without effort.
GeorgeA said:The real shock to me is that a shmendrick like Manning could get his hands on all this stuff seemingly without effort.
Orionblamblam said:Apparently this data was easily available to US government employees numbering in the tens to hundreds of thousands. That being the case, it's hardly suprising that someone downloaded it all.
From the few blurbs I've seen so far (such as on the "Guardian" article) there's nothing really surprising or even particularly embarassing. The only really embarassing things about this I've read so far are some of the comments on the Guardian article.
At last, though, 0bama finally comes through with his promise of "transparency" in government.
HeavyG said:blood on his hands if any source revealed starts getting strung up from lampposts or found shot in ditches.
I suspect he has already. And much.HeavyG said:Assange will have blood on his hands
Orionblamblam said:A general rule of thumb is that someone who seems to be all about "revealing the truth" won't give a damn about who gets hurt in the process. A bit of a change in the world of journalism since WWII, when reporters would keep their traps shut when they found out what the next military maneuver was going to be.
about 2 500 000 persons have access to SIPRNetfightingirish said:I just can't believe, that Private First Class Bradley E. Manning is the only leak. :-\
GeorgeA said:And remember, you can't spell Assange without "ass".
Nik said:Brazen skill and lack of collateral damage suggests Mossad, of course, of course...
flateric said:Scott, it has started for a while ago - seems that even some papers available before, and still marked as available as pdfs, are gone...
flateric said:Scott, it has started for a while ago - seems that even some papers available before, and still marked as available as pdfs, are gone...
Orionblamblam said:flateric said:Scott, it has started for a while ago - seems that even some papers available before, and still marked as available as pdfs, are gone...
Shrug. It's been a week or so since I last looked on DTIC... everythign worked fine then. Today, *nothing* works. All PDF links are directed to the Handle site, and they all come back with "error." Probably a server issue, but the conspiratorial part of my brain wonders if the server issue is due to over-enthusiasm on someone's part to "plug the leaks."
DamienB said:something like Wikileaks has value in a truly democratic society.
Abraham Gubler said:mz said:I haven't seen anything surprising yet...
You can say that to all the WikiLeaks releases from the Bradley Manning theft. Far from exposing the sordid, anti-American truth that many assume is hidden behind a cloak of secrecy these leaks have supporting the general American military narrative. The only anti-American ‘leak’ required considerable manipulation and editing to create the fictional “Collateral Murder” gun camera video.
Hammer Birchgrove said:How was it edited/manipulated? ???
What I remember from when I saw the video, is that I first thought that the helicopter crews had made a horrible mistake, but after one or a few minutes, I thought they should stop shooting... but they kept shooting... What the crew were saying didn't help their case, they were without mercy or remorse (according to what I could see on the video, as it was presented on the TV news here).Orionblamblam said:I'm unaware of any nefarious editting, but what may be referenced here was how it was *used.* The gun camera footage showed not Apache gunners out to murder innocents, but taking down apparently (and mistakenly) legitimate targets. But that didn't stop some people from using it otherwise... a manipulation of the *press.*Hammer Birchgrove said:How was it edited/manipulated? ???
Same thing with the Breitbart/Sherrod video. The video showed one thing (racism by members of the NAACP, at the same time the NAACP was decrying [largely fictional] racism among "Tea Partiers"), but was used in the press to attempt to show that Breitbart had somehow editted the video to prove that Sherrod was the racist (it was actually true that she is/was, but that's beside the point). It was a masterful manipulation of the press by the NAACP and their fellow travellers, without actually manipulating the video.
Too true.So even if the documents reveal absolutely nothing underhanded, expect them to be quotemined to show quite the opposite.
Hammer Birchgrove said:What I remember from when I saw the video, is that I first thought that the helicopter crews had made a horrible mistake,
but after one or a few minutes, I thought they should stop shooting... but they kept shooting... What the crew were saying didn't help their case, they were without mercy or remorse
that is not the *impression* I get.