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Hi,


I will try to talk about that difficult aircraft designation;

Wib.1 single seat biplane fighter built in 1919
Wib.2 BN.2 two seat heavy bomber biplane,built in 1921
Wib.2T was a 12-passenger transport biplane Project,based on Wib.2,powered by one 700 hp Fiat A 14 engine
Wib.3 single seat high-wing monoplane fighter to C.1 1921 competition
Wib.4T was a four engined 12-passenger transport monoplane Project of 1922,powered by four Hispano-Suiza engine
Wib.5 single seat parasol wing monoplane fighter Project,submitted to C.1 1923
Wib.6 two-seat parasol wing monoplane fighter derivative of Wib.5,Project
Wib.7 Rafale single seat parasol wing monoplane fighter,intended for C.1 1923 competition,the winner
Wib.71 was a derivative of Wib.7,re-engined with 400 hp Hispani-Suiza 12 Jb engine
Wib.72 was strengthened production aircraft for French Air Force and Poland
Wib.73 was a production aircraft for Poland and Paraguay powered by 451 hp Lorraine-Dietrich
12 Eb engine
Wib.74 was a production navalised aircraft for the French Navy
Wib.75 was a camera-equipped version of Wib.74,also naval version
Wib.7H was a floatplane version for navy,maybe remained a Project ?
Wib.8 two-seat parasol wing monoplane fighter to C.2 1925 competition
Wib.8 HE2 was a two-seat trainer seaplane Version,with floats,powered by one 140 hp
Hispano-Suiza 8A engine,remained a Project
Wib.9 single seat high-wing fighter,built for C.1 1923 competition
Wib.10 a twin-boom single seat fighter Project,may be for C.1 1923
Wib.10GR Tramontane re-allocated for two-seat parasol wing recce monoplane,built for A.2 1923 competition
Wib.11 single seat fighter Project powered by one 500 hp Hispano-Suiza 12 Hb engine,for C.1 1923
Wib.12 two-seat parasol wing monoplane fighter,built for C.2 1925 competition
Wib.12T was a high-wing monoplane light transport version of Wib.12,Project only
Wib.121 fighter-recce derivative aircraft,became Vickers V.121
Wib.122 single seat fighter for British Air Ministry
Wib.123 two-seat recce aircraft for R.2 1925 competition
Wib.124 two-seat observation aircraft for A.2 1928 competition
Wib.125 two-seat observation aircraft for A.2 1928 competition
Wib.13 Trombe I single seat lightweight fighter to C.1 1926 Jockey fighter contest
Wib.13S was a single seat high-altitude interceptor Project,powered by one 350 hp HS 12 J engine
Wib.13bis was a single seat trainer version of Wib.13,Project only
Wib.130 Trombe I redesigned of the Wib.13 by 1928
Wib.14 two-seat parasol wing tourist monoplane aircraft Project
Wib.14H a floatplane version of Wib.14,Project
Wib.15 single seat fighter Project,derivative of Wib.7,powered by one 420 hp Gnome-Rhone 9 Ac engine,to C.1 1926 contest
Wib.160 Trombe II a more powerful version of Wib.130 Trombe I,also for C.1 1926
Wib.170 Tornade a single seat lightweight parasol-wing monoplane fighter for C.1 1926
Wib.180 unknown,(but maybe it was a three engined transport Project for Britain),need confirm
Wib.190 ------?
Wib.200 ------?
Wib.210 single seat low-wing lightweight fighter for C.1 1928
Wib.220 three seat high-wing recce aircraft,built for RN.3 1928
Wib.230 three engined transport aircraft Project (not sure)
Wib.240 three engined floatplane transport seaplane,built in 1933
Wib.250 ------?
Wib.260 two seat recce aircraft,built for A.2 1928
Wib.270 single seat cantilever low-wing lightweight fighter Project for C.1 1928 contest,powered by one 500 hp HS engine
Wib.280T (Early) was a high-wing light transport Project,
powered by three engined,one of them was mounted above the wing,consider early concept,later developed into Wib.280
Wib.280 three engined low-wing 12-passenger light transport aircraft
Wib.281,282 & 283 developed from Wib.280
Wib.290 was a low-wing light transport Project,developed from Wib.280,powered by three 575 hp HS 9 Va engines
Wib.300 ------?
Wib.310 was a single seat fighter with Lorraine Petrel engine
Wib.311 was a single seat fighter with Farman engine
Wib.312 was a single seat fighter with Hispano-Suiza 12X engine
Wib.313 single seat low-wing lightweight fighter,built for C.1 1930
Wib.320 was a four-seat night bomber Project (BN.4),tested at Onera in 1931
Wib.330 transport aircraft (no more details)
Wib.340 two seat low-wing tourist aircraft Project
Wib.350 ------?
Wib.360 single engined low-wing light transport aircraft
Wib.361,362,363,364,365,366 & 367 were a variants developed from Wib.360
Wib.368 two seat record breaker aircraft,based on Wib.360
Wib.370 ------?
Wib.380 unknown,but maybe it was a three engined transport Project,developed from Wib.280
Wib.381,wib.383,Wib.384 & Wib.385 ------?
Wib.382 was a three engined light transport Project,powered by three 575 hp HS 9 Va engines
Wib.386 was a three engined light transport Project,powered by three 900 hp Gnome-Rhone 14 Kf engines
Wib.390 ------?
Wib.400T25 was a 25-passenger transport Airplane Project,tested at Onera in 1930
Wib.410 was a high-wing heavy flying boat Project of 1931
Wib.420 ------?
Wib.430 ------?
Wib.440 was a four engined high-wing heavy flying boat Project of 1932
Wib.450 ------?

Also;

Wib.100 double deck four engined heavy transport aircraft
Wib.200 ------?
Wib.300 ------?
Wib.400 ------?
Wib.500 ------?
Wib.600 ------?
Wib.700 may be tandem two seat light aircraft

1938 twin engined fighter for C.1 1938 competition

A series of Gyropter,please see my dear Jemiba's topic;
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2118.msg100427.html#msg100427

As the later replies from my dear Toura,I re-set the list.
 
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Hi Hesham
An happy new year........
and from "aviation magazine"
but nothing more !
 

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and an other Wibault 10....
no detail
 

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Here the Wibault 14
 

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Happy new year my dear Toura,


and merry Christmas,and a great info my dear,that is meaning the Wib.11
fighter was submitted to C.1 1923 tender,and for the twin boom aircraft,
it is very strange,that is because the Wib.10 was mentioned here as a
two seat recce aircraft;


http://www.aviafrance.com/wibault-10-aviation-france-9387.htm


I will re-set the list.
 

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Hi Hesham
Yes ! two Wibault 10 ! but mine is simply a projects
without any information ??
and now
 

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the 2 deck 4 engines Wibault.....
But our friend Jemiba spoke of this plane some
time ago, I think

That's all .........from "aviation magazine"

Bye
PAUL
 

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Wibault Wib.670 (Source: unknown)
 

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OK my dear Toura,and thank you very much.


My dear Maveric,the drawing you had been sent,it was Breguet-Wibault Model-670,and
in the same time called Wibault Wib.100.
 

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The Bréguet-Wibault 670 looks a little bit different from the Wibault Wib.670 aka Wib.100. :eek:
 

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Hi,


in the French Museum; Air And Space,there are Wib.5 and Wib.6,who can visit
it to get info about them ?.


http://www.google.com.eg/#hl=ar&tbo=d&q=Wibault+Wib+8+documentation.museeairespace.fr%2Fhthesauh&oq=Wibault+Wib+8+documentation.museeairespace.fr%2Fhthesauh&gs_l=serp.3...5685.7064.3.7408.3.2.1.0.0.0.191.363.0j2.2.0...0.0...1c.1.Fdky4RrLDE8&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=97856a23dc1e9537&bpcl=40096503&biw=1024&bih=634
 

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hi HESHAM

here the Wibault 5 and 6
??it is write that the 5 was never finished
and the 6 a paper plane only ??

THE Wibault - Breguet 670
Bye
 

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and, more. a little project
 

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toura said:
and, more. a little project


Excellent my dear Toura,


you made my day,thank you,and for the last aircraft,I suspect if it was Wib.700,
may be yes and may be no.
 

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Thank you my dear Toura,


and the Wib.700 project was mentioned in Georges Messier site.
 

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Hi,


for the Wib.230T,it was mentioned in Flightglobal site;
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1931/1931%20-%200532.html


The Wibault 230T. three-engined low-wing, cantilever
construction, all-metal commercial transport plane is
equipped with three 250-h.p. Wright-Hispano engines, or
with three Gnome-Rhone 300-h.p. Titan Major K7
motors, and has a ground speed of 237 k.p.h. (147 m.p.h.),
with a cruising speed of 206 k.p.h. (128 m.p.h.). It is
fitted for the transport of 10 passengers, and has a flight
radius of 1,000 km. (620 miles). The official tests have
just been completed by the Service Technique, and it is
said that this plane will be put ill service shortly on one
cr mcre of the air lines.
 

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Is anyone aware of a Wibault 4-engine flying boat project from 1930?
 

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Schneiderman said:
Is anyone aware of a Wibault 4-engine flying boat project from 1930?

Wow,that's new for me my dear Schneiderman,but it's need confirm.
 

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Its definitely confirmed, from British company archives, although I'm not yet ready to share the information as I want to dig a little deeper. I also want to check whether anyone with knowledge of French aircraft and Wibault knew about it.


edit: but I can say that there were three conceptual designs, none developed beyond basic layout.
 

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Schneiderman said:
Its definitely confirmed, from British company archives, although I'm not yet ready to share the information as I want to dig a little deeper. I also want to check whether anyone with knowledge of French aircraft and Wibault knew about it.


edit: but I can say that there were three conceptual designs, none developed beyond basic layout.

Whatever,many thanks,and please if you can hint to the anther two concepts,
that will be great,and after about two to three months,the TU magazine will speak
about Wibault in details,and I will share any new Info.
 

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If it helps, the Wilbault project numbers may be 410 Th and 440 Th

Any ideas?
 

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Schneiderman said:
If it helps, the Wilbault project numbers may be 410 Th and 440 Th

Any ideas?

It's impossible,if we see the Wib.340 was appeared in 1931,and according to your reference
they created in 1930,so I think those three Projects maybe allocated to Wib.290,Wib.300 &
Wib.320 ?.
 

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Hi,

also in Wikipedia,they took from us literally,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wibault
 

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The TU magazine reached to Weymann only.
 

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Hi,

I add Wib.410 and Wib.440 to the list.
 

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From TU 309,

I add WiB.2T & Wib.4T transport Projects to the list.
 

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From Aviation magazine 1966,

I add Wib.12T,Wib.13S,Wib.13bis,Wib.180 ?,Wib.280T (Early),Wib.290T,Wib.380,Wib.382 & Wib.386.
 

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From TU magazine,

I add some details,one for Wib.270 Project.
 

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From Pionniers,Gallica,I thin that was Wib.330 ?.
 

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Hi,


I will try to talk about that difficult aircraft designation;

Wib.1 single seat biplane fighter built in 1919
Wib.2 BN.2 two seat heavy bomber biplane,built in 1921
Wib.2T was a 12-passenger transport biplane Project,based on Wib.2,powered by one 700 hp Fiat A 14 engine
Wib.3 single seat high-wing monoplane fighter to C.1 1921 competition
Wib.4T was a four engined 12-passenger transport monoplane Project of 1922,powered by four Hispano-Suiza engine
Wib.5 single seat parasol wing monoplane fighter Project,submitted to C.1 1923
Wib.6 two-seat parasol wing monoplane fighter derivative of Wib.5,Project
Wib.7 Rafale single seat parasol wing monoplane fighter,intended for C.1 1923 competition,the winner
Wib.71 was a derivative of Wib.7,re-engined with 400 hp Hispani-Suiza 12 Jb engine
Wib.72 was strengthened production aircraft for French Air Force and Poland
Wib.73 was a production aircraft for Poland and Paraguay powered by 451 hp Lorraine-Dietrich
12 Eb engine
Wib.74 was a production navalised aircraft for the French Navy
Wib.75 was a camera-equipped version of Wib.74,also naval version
Wib.7H was a floatplane version for navy,maybe remained a Project ?
Wib.8 two-seat parasol wing monoplane fighter to C.2 1925 competition
Wib.8 HE2 was a two-seat trainer seaplane Version,with floats,powered by one 140 hp
Hispano-Suiza 8A engine,remained a Project
Wib.9 single seat high-wing fighter,built for C.1 1923 competition
Wib.10 a twin-boom single seat fighter Project,may be for C.1 1923
Wib.10GR Tramontane re-allocated for two-seat parasol wing recce monoplane,built for A.2 1923 competition
Wib.11 single seat fighter Project powered by one 500 hp Hispano-Suiza 12 Hb engine,for C.1 1923
Wib.12 two-seat parasol wing monoplane fighter,built for C.2 1925 competition
Wib.12T was a high-wing monoplane light transport version of Wib.12,Project only
Wib.121 fighter-recce derivative aircraft,became Vickers V.121
Wib.122 single seat fighter for British Air Ministry
Wib.123 two-seat recce aircraft for R.2 1925 competition
Wib.124 two-seat observation aircraft for A.2 1928 competition
Wib.125 two-seat observation aircraft for A.2 1928 competition
Wib.13 Trombe I single seat lightweight fighter to C.1 1926 Jockey fighter contest
Wib.13S was a single seat high-altitude interceptor Project,powered by one 350 hp HS 12 J engine
Wib.13bis was a single seat trainer version of Wib.13,Project only
Wib.130 Trombe I redesigned of the Wib.13 by 1928
Wib.14 two-seat parasol wing tourist monoplane aircraft Project
Wib.14H a floatplane version of Wib.14,Project
Wib.15 single seat fighter Project,derivative of Wib.7,powered by one 420 hp Gnome-Rhone 9 Ac engine,to C.1 1926 contest
Wib.160 Trombe II a more powerful version of Wib.130 Trombe I,also for C.1 1926
Wib.170 Tornade a single seat lightweight parasol-wing monoplane fighter for C.1 1926
Wib.180 unknown,(but maybe it was a three engined transport Project for Britain),need confirm
Wib.190 ------?
Wib.200 ------?
Wib.210 single seat low-wing lightweight fighter for C.1 1928
Wib.220 three seat high-wing recce aircraft,built for RN.3 1928
Wib.230 three engined transport aircraft Project (not sure)
Wib.240 three engined floatplane transport seaplane,built in 1933
Wib.250 ------?
Wib.260 two seat recce aircraft,built for A.2 1928
Wib.270 single seat cantilever low-wing lightweight fighter Project for C.1 1928 contest,powered by one 500 hp HS engine
Wib.280T (Early) was a high-wing light transport Project,
powered by three engined,one of them was mounted above the wing,consider early concept,later developed into Wib.280
Wib.280 three engined low-wing 12-passenger light transport aircraft
Wib.281,282 & 283 developed from Wib.280
Wib.290 was a low-wing light transport Project,developed from Wib.280,powered by three 575 hp HS 9 Va engines
Wib.300 ------?
Wib.310 was a single seat fighter with Lorraine Petrel engine
Wib.311 was a single seat fighter with Farman engine
Wib.312 was a single seat fighter with Hispano-Suiza 12X engine
Wib.313 single seat low-wing lightweight fighter,built for C.1 1930
Wib.320 was a four-seat night bomber Project (BN.4),tested at Onera in 1931
Wib.330 transport aircraft (no more details)
Wib.340 two seat low-wing tourist aircraft Project
Wib.350 ------?
Wib.360 single engined low-wing light transport aircraft
Wib.361,362,363,364,365,366 & 367 were a variants developed from Wib.360
Wib.368 two seat record breaker aircraft,based on Wib.360
Wib.370 ------?
Wib.380 unknown,but maybe it was a three engined transport Project,developed from Wib.280
Wib.381,wib.383,Wib.384 & Wib.385 ------?
Wib.382 was a three engined light transport Project,powered by three 575 hp HS 9 Va engines
Wib.386 was a three engined light transport Project,powered by three 900 hp Gnome-Rhone 14 Kf engines
Wib.390 ------?
Wib.400T25 was a 25-passenger transport Airplane Project,tested at Onera in 1930
Wib.410 was a high-wing heavy flying boat Project of 1931
Wib.420 ------?
Wib.430 ------?
Wib.440 was a four engined high-wing heavy flying boat Project of 1932
Wib.450 ------?

Also;

Wib.100 double deck four engined heavy transport aircraft
Wib.200 ------?
Wib.300 ------?
Wib.400 ------?
Wib.500 ------?
Wib.600 ------?
Wib.700 may be tandem two seat light aircraft

1938 twin engined fighter for C.1 1938 competition

A series of Gyropter,please see my dear Jemiba's topic;
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2118.msg100427.html#msg100427

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Hi Hesham,
am looking for more photos of the one and only Wibault 240 (July-October 1933?).
So far I only found one here https://www.aviafrance.com/wibault-240-aviation-france-9393.htm

Irritating that a Wibault Wib.240 should be involved in a 1930 contest for seaplane/flying boat transport aircraft???
 

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Hi Hesham,
am looking for more photos of the one and only Wibault 240 (July-October 1933?).
So far I only found one here https://www.aviafrance.com/wibault-240-aviation-france-9393.htm

Irritating that a Wibault Wib.240 should be involved in a 1930 contest for seaplane/flying boat transport aircraft???

Hi Wieesso,

unfortunately I have only a drawing to it,here.

For the 1930 competition,yes it was involved;
Transport seaplane ; Gourdou-Leseurre GL-710,Farman F.310,
CAMS-58,Latecoere Late.501,SPCA-60,Liore et Olivier LeO H-24,
Wibault Wib.240 and maybe Bleriot-250
 

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