Vultee V-12, CAMCO, and Hindustan

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Looking for info (dates especially) and sources for the production of V-12 components shipped to China and ending up at HAL. Dates would be especially appreciated. Also, HALs abortive production of Curtiss Hawks
 
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From what I have found so far the initial production of Curtiss Hawks by HAL was supposed to be for 48 examples of the Hawk 75A for the RIAF ( also listed as the Mohawk IVz ), with the first example taking to the air 31 July 1942. However only four other examples followed. There were examples from the licence production originally started by the Chinese of the Hawk75A-5 which were reported to have been completed by HAL and these examples were absorbed into the RAF as Mohawk IV. All info Air Enthusiast 22 December 1983-March 1984 edition.
 
According to Air Enthusiast July 1974 article two variants of the V-12 were to be built by the Loiwing factory of CAMCO being called the V-12C and V-12D. The first batch of 25 V-12C aircraft were completed successfully but unfortunately production of the V-12D was interrupted by a bombing raid, so only a handful of these were built. The surviving part built airframes and components were evacuated to Bangalore for completion/production in India but this was cancelled after only a few had been completed due to the need of the factory space for more important repair work for the RAF.
 
Loiwing's factory was evacuated on May 2, 1942 and the first Curtiss H-75 manufactured in Bangalore was flown on July 31, 1942.
 

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IIRC the HAL production of Hawk 75s actually used the CAMCO license. IMO it's worth looking at Loiwing's actual location to understand some the issues. Even for China it's in the back of beyond, right by the Sino-Indo-Burmese border, but relatively convenient for access to the Burma Road. It was so far out from the Chinese centre of gravity around Kunming and Chongqing that shifting a failing effort to HAL made little difference.

 
It also had to do with a key personality involved. In the early '30s, W.D. Pawley had been the Curtiss-Wright representative in China. He then became President of a Curtiss-Wright subsidiary - Intercontinent Corporation. By extension, that also made Bill Pawley head of CAMCO - an Intercontinent part-subsidiary (together with Chiang Kai-shek's KMT government).

CAMCO relocated to Hengchow in 1938, and began assembly of Vultee V-11. In November of the following year, AVCO's Vultee Aircraft Division was reorganized as an independent firm. Pawley and CAMCO represented Vultee in China where the ROCAF was interested in an improved V-11 - the V-12. China would eventually order 26 Vultee V-12Cs (Wright GR-1820-G105A Cyclone) and 74 V-12Ds (Wright GR-2600-A5B Double Cyclone) ... but that all came too late for China.

Its worth noting that Bill Pawly had also became a director of the Harlow Aircraft Company. This followed the 1941 take-over of Harlow by Intercontinent. The Intercontinent Corporation then turned around and sold Harlow Aircraft to Vultee Aircraft. All of this give Pawley direct connections with Vultee, Harlow, and Curtiss. Meanwhile, due to Japanese advances in southern China, CAMCO was forced to relocate south from Hengchow to Burma.

CAMCO set up a maintenance and staging base at Loiwing (or Loi-Wing) on the Burmese-Chinese border. Actual assembly of aircraft was performed at Mingaladon on the outskirts of Rangoon. CAMCO's Burmese facilities were intended to funnel aircraft north or move parts and supplies up the Burma Road. But, as soon as Japanese attacks through Indo-China threatened Rangoon, CAMCO's Burma activities became non-viable. Bill Pawley was then invited to establish Hindustan Aircraft, Ltd (HAL) in Bangalore (that invite coming from HAL-founder, Walchand Hirachand, whose acquaintance Pawley had made on a 1939 trans-Pacific PAA Clipper flight).

China then placed orders with HAL for 74 Vultee V-12D attack aircraft, 30 Harlow PC-5A trainers, and an unknown number of Curtiss 75A-5P fighters - all products of firms with some connection to Bill Pawley. HAL was quick to set up - with assembly sheds erected and tooling at sea intended for Mingaladon being redirected to Bangalore. But, as far as I can tell, three of those V-12Ds may have been completed. Certainly no PC-5As were built by HAL (those usually quoted as HAL machines were actually imported Harlow-built airframes). And, as is better know, HAL assembled five Curtiss 75A-5Ps (out of 48 ordered) which went to the RAF as a Mohawk. (Mind you, the sources claiming five Mohawks also insist upon local Harlow production ... make of that what you will.)

So, why did the Chinese HAL order fizzle? I speculated in the Harlow Designations thread that Chinese access to Lend-Lease meant Chiang lost interest in paying for this order after April 1941. (Why spend Chinese treasure now when the Yanks were offering loaned equipment?) Further to that, HAL may have anticipated approved Lend-Lease supplier status being extended to India (as it had been for Canada). That never happened and Bangalore became mainly a maintenance facility for the duration of the war.
 
IRC the HAL production of Hawk 75s actually used the CAMCO license. IMO it's worth looking at Loiwing's actual location to understand some the issues. Even for China it's in the back of beyond, right by the Sino-Indo-Burmese border, but relatively convenient for access to the Burma Road. It was so far out from the Chinese centre of gravity around Kunming and Chongqing that shifting a failing effort to HAL made little difference.

that shifting a failing effort to HAL made little difference.

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Hello,
did you say transferring the failed attempt to HAL, that is, you were there?
best, Andrey
 
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Looking for info (dates especially) and sources for the production of V-12 components shipped to China and ending up at HAL. Dates would be especially appreciated. Also, HALs abortive production of Curtiss Hawks
My father (Carl H. Miller) was first production manager at Hindustan, 1941-43. Attached is a link to a short YouTube video of a trainer variant (BT-13) of the Vultee, digitized from his home movie (no sound). Also have a photo he took of a Curtiss Hawk (Mohawk IVz, or Hawk 75A) but I don't see a way to attach that image.
Regards from Grass Valley, CA
Doug Miller
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3QR3rZ3Hgk&t=2s
 

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