US Special Ops Activity in Venezuela

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We have been in cave men style politics since forever and if your enemies are doing wars to benefit their nation you will do the same no matter if international law is against it or not.
 
Yeah well you guys can believe in international law all you want, and in some arbitrary US violation of it, but the fact is that what was done is objectively good for everyone, and that work is done by workers and not performers.
 
Arjen said:
We solemnly promise to abide by any international treaty or agreement we signed on for until they no longer suit us.
About those trade agreements we hammered out recently...
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It is your moral duty to advocate for severing those agreements, ja or nein?
16_incher said:
We have been in cave men style politics since forever and if your enemies are doing wars to benefit their nation you will do the same no matter if international law is against it or not.
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Ultimately governments are responsible for the lives of millions. Terrible as they can be sometimes the better ones pursue benefits for their own kin. Violence should not be the first option in the bucket list of diplomacy but it should not be the last.
Frauduro is a communist dictator and subjugates his people through foreign adorned power. I can't spare less shite if he's executed Romanian style much less brought to a trial and sealed away in Guacam-hole.
 
16_incher said:
We have been in cave men style politics since forever and if your enemies are doing wars to benefit their nation you will do the same no matter if international law is against it or not.
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You misunderstood, never said that defending yourself makes you a caveman.
But in the current case, Venezuela/Manduro was going to war against the US to benefit his nation, so US intervention was justified ? :D
 
galgot said:
But in the current case, Venezuela/Manduro was going to war against the US to benefit his nation, so US intervention was justified ? :D
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In this case the US is doing what Russia did with Ukraine, the US isn’t going to stay around watch all of its adversaries not follow international law and just stay around preaching how much moral it is compared to Russia and/or China.
 
Avimimus said:
Well, I think it is important to recognise that claiming to follow International Law (or a shared legal or defence logic) provides predictability.

In terms of the International implications for geopolitics and potential strategic fallout - whether Maduro is prosecuted under International Law, Venezuelan Law, U.S. anti-terrorism laws, or U.S. anti-drug trafficking laws is significant.

The context is also significant, in terms of potentially openly abandoning the idea of International Law or State Sovereignty, and the deteriorating relationship with allies... that shapes the impact of any decisions regarding which laws to use.

This is likely the most strategically impactful outcome outside of Venezuela itself. So, I don't see how it can be separated.
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There are lots of laws both international and domestic to prosecute him under - drug trafficking, killings, torture, disappearances etc.

DWG said:
It morally justifies Russian aggression against countries it dislikes - 'America did the same', and makes US double standards more blatant, undermining the US's ability to say 'This is wrong' and claim to be a force for good. That weakens NATO as a whole.
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Did the same how? Arresting a dictator guilty of multiple international crimes in a single, short targeted operation, is not the same as a 4+-year long forced annexation of what was a democracy at the time of invasion, kidnapping its children and stealing its resources, while flattening every single village and town as you go.
 
I was so looking forward to hearing that UAVs had captured Maduro.

Concur or not with the action; my personal synopsis from what I have read. The kinetic part of the operation took place in one hour or less. Boots on the ground for about half an hour. Capture done by US SOF and DEA Team. SOAR provided transport and close fires (to reduce damage (30mm and rockets not as destructive as SDB or greater). USAF and USN hit communications, airfields, and local military bases.
To be sure some sort of UAV(s) have likely been over the target area for days.
 
16_incher said:
In this case the US is doing what Russia did with Ukraine, the US isn’t going to stay around watch all of its adversaries not follow international law and just stay around preaching how much moral it is compared to Russia and/or China.
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Pretty sad when it act the same as these two, tho.
 
Big_Zukini said:
Venezuelans are happy. That's what matters.
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The people of Lugansk and Donetsk are also very happy, so happy that they have joined the Russian forces to strike back at the Kiev regime.

The people of Crimea are also very happy, after all, when they joined Russia, there was a 96% approval rate in the vote.
 
galgot said:
Pretty sad when it act the same as these two, tho.
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When you are in charge of global security, there's no time to be sad or self reflect. Duty first. Do people feel bad when they butcher someone sneaking in with knife around their offsprings' neck? Do people feel bad when they defend their friends from bullies?
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The people of Lugansk and Donetsk are also very happy, so happy that they have joined the Russian forces to strike back at the Kiev regime.
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Shh... Don't mention Azovite shenanigans here bozo.
 
Forest Green said:
That's what happens when you traffic Fentanyl. Should have stuck to cocaine, Fentanyl is more of a chemical weapon than a drug.


Aren't they supposed to take 4 years though? You know, when they're going to plan and stuff.

If they'd waited for Putin to visit they could have got a 2-for-1 deal on Marshal services.
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90% of Fentanyl in the US comes from China via Mexico. None of it comes from Venezuela. Cocaine is also from Colombia via Mexico. Venezuelan drug trade is mostly cocaine to Europe.
 
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