Unmanned and Overhead Turret MBT's

[JAZZ]

Here is a collection of MBT and IFV's with overhead turrets or unmanned turrets. I'm not sure I have all the names correctly assigned, and also I think a number are just postulated ideas.

Any corrections to the attachments is welcomed.

 

[JAZZ]

Others - again happy for people to point out errors

 

[GARGEAN]

Overhead is low profile here I presume?

 

[TomS]

One editorial nit-pick. You have "ordinance" a couple of places where you mean "ordnance". "Ordinance" with an i is a a law or regulation, "ordnance" without an i is a weapon.

 

[JAZZ]

Good call - i will need to fix that up cheers

 

[BAROBA]

What kind of gun would be fitted? The NATO standard 120 mm or smaller calibers?

 

[TomS]

What kind of gun would be fitted? The NATO standard 120 mm or smaller calibers?

These are all different projects. I see ones with 105mm, 120mm, and I think even 140mm guns. Maybe even a 75mm (ISTR seeing one of the ARES gun designs but I could be mistaken).

 

[BAROBA]

What kind of gun would be fitted? The NATO standard 120 mm or smaller calibers?

These are all different projects. I see ones with 105mm, 120mm, and I think even 140mm guns. Maybe even a 75mm (ISTR seeing one of the ARES gun designs but I could be mistaken).

Ofcourse That would make sense
What is ISTR and what is the ARES gun?
I don't know much about tanks, but some of these have nice designs.
Is there a topic on completely unmanned tanks?

Kind regards,

Rob

 

[jstar]

ISTR: I Seem To Recall/Remember

ARES gun: 75mm XM274 Medium Caliber Gun, see here: https://defense-and-freedom.blogspot.com/2010/04/medium-calibre-allround-option.html

 

[Ravinoff]

A couple other photos I've collected of things relevant to this.

Rapid Deployment Force Light Tank/Elevated Kinetic Energy Test Vehicle (RDF/LT or ELKE), mounts the above-mentioned ARES 75mm automatic gun in an articulated unmanned turret to fire from a hull-down position. Came out of the same line of testing as the Teledyne Expeditionary Tank in the first couple posts, as a possible replacement for the M551 Sheridan and 2nd ACR's TOW Humvees. Lost out to the M8 Armored Gun System, which famously was then cancelled.






M1 Abrams Tank Testbed (TTB) with unmanned turret:



And just for fun, a slightly more fanciful depiction of the M1TTB and its German cousin from the Twilight 2000 roleplaying game, circa 1989:

 

[riggerrob]

Most of those look like mockups or static display models.
The concept is laudable, but recoil can be a huge issue if the turret is too tall.
Back during the 1990s, they built a few recce AFVs with sensors on extendable towers, but now the fashion is to fly a tiny photo-drone over the target and launch in-direct fire: mortar, howitzer or rocket.

 

[Graugrun]

Here's another one for your records, pretty much South African designed - It went on with further development, however it seems to have stopped at some point or another... (Janes IDR December 2002).

 

[Graugrun]

A follow on to my post above - This now dates to 3 years later (Janes IDR May 2005).

 

[Jason Dykstra (Wyvern)]

What gun does the Falcon-turreted Challenger use?

 

[Keyboard Commando]

Ruag L50

 

[skylancer-3441]

corrections to the attachments is welcomed

RUS_object 450, 195, 148, UBM3, UKR_T-REX.JPG

That scalemodel photo with caption "Object 195" - actually shows another more detailed scalemodel of 490A.

 

[pedrospe]

Here is a collection of MBT and IFV's with overhead turrets or unmanned turrets. I'm not sure I have all the names correctly assigned, and also I think a number are just postulated ideas.

Any corrections to the attachments is welcomed.

Pretty cool work!!!

 

[Eps1loN]

Here is a collection of MBT and IFV's with overhead turrets or unmanned turrets. I'm not sure I have all the names correctly assigned, and also I think a number are just postulated ideas.

Any corrections to the attachments is welcomed.

i have actualy manage to found the name of the IFV that you called "air defence" . its the *2S38 "Derivatsya-PVO"* . it was born from the demend of the Russian Defense Ministry for a new maximum caliber for all of there APC's and IFV's , the "new" caliber is 57mm (auto-canon) . the remotely controled gun here is the Baikal AU-220M.


im not good with reaserches but i hope i helped.

 

[Colasix]

The name of this concept is AS 52. I didn't find a lot of information about this one.

 

[JohnR]

That seems to be along the lines of the Swedish Bandkanon.

 

[trajan]

maybe yes or no. actually West world try their best to anty Russia armor waves.
USA made M1TTB CATTB. And one rifle squad with two FGM148 javelin.

British made study of 140mm rifle Cannon. maybe tried to ADD it to the challenger II atdu(a research center in Bovinton)test bed like cattb. (they didn't do that because of USSR gone)

Swiss Pz87-140 based on leopard II(in data it looks like the weakest west140 gun using Israel ammo)can pen more than1000mm
armour by apfsds on test bed(2000m 60 degree).
France lec-140

German was test their 140 then gave up and now made 130mm gun.
So who knows(
Although these armour giants stopped to reseach after USSR gone. I still think they are really beautiful and interested weapon(●°u°●) 」

NATO would have been having kittens if that had made it to production

 

[trajan]

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

Bit off topic - I will move these posts to https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/unmanned-and-overhead-turret-mbts.32911/ which is a more suitable location.

 

[Creative]

120mm LOS/BLOS ATD Source: https://slidetodoc.com/michael-d-bolon-general-dynamics-land-systems-division/

 

[moin1900]

PACIFIC CAR
HSTV-L MODEL

Engineering Models | Rauda Scale Models

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[Apophenia]

Nice find.

Paccar Tank
-- https://www.raudascalemodels.com/?portfolio=tank-remote-gun

 

[mirco1961]

Any other information?

 

[Hood]

Interesting, PACCAR had built some tanks in the 1940s and 50s but I thought thereafter stuck to its core truck portfolio. I wonder if this was an attempt to diversify?

 

[TomS]

Interesting, PACCAR had built some tanks in the 1940s and 50s but I thought thereafter stuck to its core truck portfolio. I wonder if this was an attempt to diversify?

They designed and built the first M107 howitzers as late as 1962, though the major production seems to have been down by FMC and then BMY.

Do we have any idea when this model was made? One of the secondary guns looks like an automatic grenade launcher, but more like the XM174 (c 1968) Mk 20 Mod 0 (c 1966) than the Mk 19. Could this date to that era?

 

[Andrei_bt]

HSTV-L configuration proposed by the Pacific Car and Foundry Company.
Pacific Car and Foundry vehicle carried the cannon in an external elevating trunnion system. This arrangement allowed the vehicle to fire from behind terrain features with only the cannon and sighting equipment exposed.
The tank commander and gunner rode in the turret basket inside the hull with an elevating periscope for the commander.
Secondary armament of the Pacific Car and Foundry proposal consisted of a 25mm Bushmaster cannon and a 7.62mm machine gun. The Bushmaster was mounted coaxially with the 75mm gun and the machine gun was installed on the commander's hatch.
The ready round magazine for the automatic loader was located below the gun tube and it carried 22 75mm rounds (11 APFSDS, 11 HE). An additional 33 rounds of 75mm ammunition were stowed in the left front hull alongside the driver. The proposed Pacific Car and Foundry HSTV-L was powered by a General Motors 8V71T diesel engine through an HMPT-500 transmission. The advanced torsion bar suspension was fitted with five road wheels per side.

 

[Voltzz]

Others - again happy for people to point out errors

Does anyone have more information on the image from this post, labeled "TTB Abrams Rheinmetall"?

 

[sp_mm]

Does anyone have more information on the image from this post, labeled "TTB Abrams Rheinmetall"?

Two companies were awarded contracts to develop the autoloading system for the TTB: FMC Corp and Rheinmetall.


IIRC the design from FMC was selected ofr the prototype.

 

[scrubhead]

AS-12 Autoloader Patent.
FR2444247A1 Automatic loading system for large calibre gun - uses ammunition in containers fed by moving arm scissors mechanism and rammer

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/patent/search/family/009215947/publication/FR2444247A1?q=pn%3DFR2444247A1

Interesting parallel with Figure 3 of patent and Simpkin's 'Pillar' External Gun mounting figure from Red Armour.