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wildly paraphrased but straight from the guy who personally typed the actual document fifty to fiftyfive years ago

1-ONLY military requirement is to undisputably defeat the Greeks
2-which deters any permutation of Greece, Syria, Iraq and Iran
3-which repels the possibility of a general Kurdish uprising within
4-which annuls the possibility of an all out war with and an invasion by the US
5-due extremist beliefs of the said not to be discussed here
6-tactical air power is the only thing flexible enough for 1 and 2
7-and can be acquired within reason
8-airframe companies can fail , Curtiss of 1920-40s as the best example
9-any deal must be with the engine company ever surplus to American requirements
10- that every single jet that will be purchased will be powered by the same

if you wish , you can debate to the end of times whether we would really buy the F-16/79 or is there any possibility that America delivered F-35s not with the markings of a now dead Airforce ? In view of the claims that the exposure of the Gülen Movement for so little a gain has created an environment of "mistrust" in the country that poisons any long term assesment to the extent nobody knows what might happen and America needs some time before bigger things come up ? Time that would be used to re-arrange American assets within ? Time that might be in short supply with the dangerously surprising Russian behaviour after 2014 ? Time that might perhaps be bought by "respect" shown to existential struggle that might have been fought out in 1974-5 ? As in some old engine stuck in , in a plane with an entire function is to be merely a PR piece and any production was to be no better than a regular F-16 . As already mentioned in the thread and which was wargamed to a loss-rate of 70 to 1 facing USAF , but the expectation seems all the airbases will be abandoned immediately when the attacks begin and 50-55 on the ground and a couple of unfortunates in the air would be enough for Pentagon to gloat in the press briefings , declaring Air Dominance ...


edit: to help an early thing , will remove it if appears as a post

it isn't . Merely the mark of the pseudo engineer and confirmation of US goodwill for the duration . When people wanna play Hermit Kingdom , them unreformed 20th Century Barbarians , they can surely manage to clone a 110 . Just like the Allied plane moniker assures that British designed plane must be All-American . Confused ? Goverment supporters think the post opening the very page is a sage advice to them , now that they sincerely believe it's them who will fight the interests of the US , to say the least .

for those who haven't tasted the experience , when the newspaper calls you a liar , you don't necessarily get a fill of anger , let alone blinding rage . Hence TR Motors is mere 7 months old . Which ı presume to mean Turkish Reaction Motors , now that Republic is a despised word . They don't name the initial choice and claim RR is still in the running as soon as the British give full rights to the design , so that famous "New" Turkey can start selling planes to the Arabs , fully produced here , even if the engines would arrive in Eskişehir 80% assembled already . All in all , a thing to keep things quiet at the coal-face . Looping to the first paragraph , ı was cursed on the street while coming to the webcafe and some other guy has already heard that ı have no issues with the Americans but despise the British . If silencing had not been in so much vogue , they would also know that they were amicably advised not to grow too much roots here and perhaps move to Doha , the future capital ...

a perfectly understandable post , too ...
 

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Rolls-Royce dials back on project to build new Turkish fighter jet
Erdogan-backed scheme hit issues over intellectual property
https://www.ft.com/content/164c5ee0-3d1d-11e9-8c2f-30761f19a974
 

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Another 'sort of' F22 clone?
 

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so , apparently there is indeed a guy named Roper in the US Defence Establishment and he wants very short span contracts , like 72 strong fighter programmes , running at 3 years at 24 per annum , that kind of thing , to get faster responses .

those on the Lockheed Martin's payroll should not be alarmed , he doesn't mean that , he doesn't mean anything and nobody intends to sell 72 or 720 or 7200 or 72000 planes to the US .

oh , ı should also answer now that it apparently didn't come online back in the day , like a year and 4 days back . Of course they are telling the F-110 is only for test , but the thing is America , of a sort , is fed up with the British running of the economy of the so called New Turkey , causing ripples of insignificant trouble , you know ... And what's a year in the history of states ?
 

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ignore website reputation, just stating what Erdogan said,


"The beginning of production of our own military planes, scheduled for 2033, will be the best response to those who do not wish to supply F-35 [fighter jets] to Turkey", Erdogan said in his speech at the opening of an ammunition recycling plant in the province of Kirikkale, broadcast by the Turkish NTV channel."
 

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Especially given their economy and the on-going purges.
 

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Those are second and tetriary (if purges even have any reasonable effect at engineering part of situation) to total lack of engineering school of developing fighter jet aircrafts (or any serious fixed wing aircraft in whole).
 

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Purges in Soviet Union in 30s and in Turkey now are two drastically different things.
 

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From last month:

Thanks ... a very reasonable report, even if at the Key-Forum some won't like it.
I dont think anyone barely cared about the aircraft at that forum besides one Turkish user that got banned than the news of the aircraft died down over there. The biggest rage at f-16.net revolves around Turkey's situation with the s-400 or something gripen related. I am not really that shocked to see a high negative feedback here regarding Erdogan's quote.
 
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