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In the book "Soviet Rocketry," there is a drawing and artwork of a space station attributed to Tsiolkovsky. It's a fairly spiffy design. However, in trying to find more about it, all I can find are some Tsiolkovsky sketches that are far more primitive:


Can anyone tell me if there's actual evidence that Tsiolkovsky sketched the space station to the level of detail show below... or is the design just a massive extrapolation from the simple sketch above?
 

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Tsiolkovsky first Space station change over the years

the first sketch are from 1911
he rework his space station later in 1926 and 1933

i think second pic show the 1926 version

Source:
"Raumstationen: Laboratorien im All"
Jesco von Puttkamer
Isbn-3-527-25366-1

there also those "models" of a Tsiolkovsky Space station
http://www.astronautix.com/graphics/k/katsst2.jpg
http://www.astronautix.com/graphics/k/katsst1.jpg
real Tsiolkovsky work ?
 

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1) Sketch of the space station K.E.Tsyolkovsky.
It was his original (whether he hand Tsyolkovsky) do not dare to try.
2) The space station K. Tsiolkovsky. The reconstruction project of 1896 / from posting Michel Van
sources:http://www.elite-games.ru/texts/salut.shtml
http://tsiolkovsky.ru/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=41&Itemid=3
 

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borovik said:
1) Sketch of the space station K.E.Tsyolkovsky.
It was his original (whether he hand Tsyolkovsky) do not dare to try.
2) The space station K. Tsiolkovsky. The reconstruction project of 1896 / from posting Michel Van
sources:http://www.elite-games.ru/texts/salut.shtml
http://tsiolkovsky.ru/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=41&Itemid=3
1) Tsiolkovsky's sketch (1933):



The text on page:

"[...] её можно регулировать при жилищах удлинённых вдоль лучей солнца: чем она длинее, тем температура будет ниже.
54. Почва сбивается от вращения дальше от оси так, что лучи скользят вдоль её поверхности и засаженных на ней растений. На дне же шара почва не удержится, растений там не буде и сила солнца будет пропадать даром. Однако при длинных конусах, наклон поверхности и почвы будет не велик, она останется на месте и растения будут освещены косыми лучами до самой оси. Достигнем и умеренной температуры и использования солнечных лучей".


The reconstruction after Tsiolkovsky's sketch:



2) This is not Tsiolkovsky's space station. It is non-realised model to the Soviet film "Road to stars" (Дорога к звёздам) by P. Klushantsev (1958).
 

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Roger Launius' book Space Stations: Base Camps To The Stars (http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?r=1&ISBN=9781568527161&ourl=Space%2DStations%2FRoger%2DD%2DLaunius) shows the station pictured in the stamp as Tsiolkovsky's design.
 

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XP67_Moonbat said:
Roger Launius' book Space Stations: Base Camps To The Stars (http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?r=1&ISBN=9781568527161&ourl=Space%2DStations%2FRoger%2DD%2DLaunius) shows the station pictured in the stamp as Tsiolkovsky's design.

This book not is authority. The author of the book does not know about Tsiolkovsky's station much.
It not Tsiolkovsky's drawing. It is reconstruction. It was made by the Soviet popular writer of cosmonautics B.Lyapunov (Б. Ляпунов) in 1954.
Its article in magazine "Znanie - sila" (Знание - сила) (1954, № 9):



http://epizodsspace.airbase.ru/bibl/z-s/1954/9-stantsia.html

Its book "World Opening" (Открытие мира) (Moscow, 1954):



http://epizodsspace.airbase.ru/bibl/lapunov/16.html

In 1935 the description of a cone-greenhouse of Tsiolkovsky has appeared in the science-fiction book:

Belyaev A. "Star KETS" [Star K.E.TSiolkovsky] (Беляев А. "Звезда КЭЦ")

http://epizodsspace.airbase.ru/bibl/fant/belaev/zvezda/obl.html

Tsiolkovsky advised the author of the book.

In 1930 - 1950th years in the USSR were many interpretations of ideas of Tsiolkovsky. Its ideas "improved".
To the Soviet people spoke, as they need to understand cosmonautics. And not only Tsiolkovsky's ideas. For example wrote about the american film "Destination Moon" (1950):



"GANGSTERS ASPIRE IN SPACE

In a "science-fiction" film "Destination Moon", - let out in the USA, is told, how some Americans led by the general, having got on the Moon, at once begin there searches of uranium ores. "Who owns the Moon, that owns - the world", - moon aggressors declare.
The American gangsters dream to place also space in the service destructive bloody wars, hope and on the Moon to make the animal laws".

Its magazine "Znanie - sila" (1951, № 4):

http://epizodsspace.airbase.ru/bibl/tm/1951/4/bandity.html

The author of the book "Space Stations: Base Camps To The Stars" did not know specificity of the Soviet journalism 1950th and thought, that there all is written correctly. But he was mistaken. Is not Tsiolkovsky's drawing.
 

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Michel Van said:
Tsiolkovsky first Space station change over the years

the first sketch are from 1911
he rework his space station later in 1926 and 1933

No.
Drawing above from Tsiolkovsky's manuscript "Album of space travel" (Альбом космических путешествий) (1933), pages 63 and 64. It is possible to look here:

http://www.ras.ru/ktsiolkovskyarchive/1_actview.aspx?id=84

Michel Van said:
i think second pic show the 1926 version

No.
It is drawing from Boris Lyapunov's article "Station out of the Earth" (the soviet magazine "Znanie - Sila", 1954, № 9, pages 11-15). It is station reconstruction on drawings from the manuscript of 1933 (I wrote above). The signature for this drawing: "Extraterrestrial station on Tsiolkovsky's ideas". But it not Tsiolkovsky's drawing. It is drawing of artists A.Orlov and I.Fridman.

Michel Van said:
Source:
"Raumstationen: Laboratorien im All"
Jesco von Puttkamer
Isbn-3-527-25366-1

The author of this book was mistaken.

Michel Van said:
there also those "models" of a Tsiolkovsky Space station
http://www.astronautix.com/graphics/k/katsst2.jpg
http://www.astronautix.com/graphics/k/katsst1.jpg
real Tsiolkovsky work ?

No.



This is not Tsiolkovsky's space station.
It is non-realised model to the Soviet film "Road to stars" (Дорога к звёздам) by P. Klushantsev (1958).



This is not Tsiolkovsky's space station.
It is the project of Soviet scientist Ari Shternfeld (Ари Штерфельд) from the book "Flight in space" (Полёт в мировое пространство) (Moscow, 1949):

http://epizodsspace.airbase.ru/bibl/schternf/obl.html

 

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Orionblamblam said:
In the book "Soviet Rocketry," there is a drawing and artwork of a space station attributed to Tsiolkovsky. It's a fairly spiffy design. However, in trying to find more about it, all I can find are some Tsiolkovsky sketches that are far more primitive:


Can anyone tell me if there's actual evidence that Tsiolkovsky sketched the space station to the level of detail show below... or is the design just a massive extrapolation from the simple sketch above?
Article about postage stamps, but also about project space station of Tsiolkovsky. On russian:

http://www.fandom.ru/about_fan/zubakin_18.htm

Other Soviet space stations 1940s-1960s, it is not projects of Tsiolkovsky:

http://magnus-z.livejournal.com/99935.html
http://magnus-z.livejournal.com/100534.html
http://magnus-z.livejournal.com/119079.html
http://magnus-z.livejournal.com/119347.html
http://magnus-z.livejournal.com/119612.html
http://magnus-z.livejournal.com/119931.html
http://magnus-z.livejournal.com/120310.html
http://magnus-z.livejournal.com/120557.html
 

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