Tiger Class Guided Missile Cruiser Conversion

[Volkodav]

Me too; and the vibrations from 6-inch guns firing isn't exactly what I would like near vacuum-tube missiles.

A better position would - theoretically - be a superfiring launcher between rear funnel and hangar (of course it would require rear radar mast relocation - likely in front of the funnel). Problem is, I have no data about how heavy Sea Dart launcher was, so I can't tell how much it would affect the ship stability.

P.S. There is one other possible solution - broadside launchers , one at either side, feeding from the same cross-deck magazine - but while it more or less solve the upper weight problem, it would be costly and complicated solution.

Tartar in Mk 11 and 13, on the Charles F Adams class DDG, was located immediately to the rear of the aft Mk-42 5" as well as above the shaft lines. I believe the Sea Dart magazine was based on the Tartar Mk-11 arrangement.

An interesting arrangement for a Tiger could be the replacement of each twin 3" with a 16 round Mk-22 Tartar. If I recall correctly, the later RN GWS missile cruiser designs with 4 twin 3" mounts were designed to replace two of them with Tartar when it became available.

 

[Dilandu]

Tartar in Mk 11 and 13, on the Charles F Adams class DDG, was located immediately to the rear of the aft Mk-42 5" as well as above the shaft lines. I believe the Sea Dart magazine was based on the Tartar Mk-11 arrangement.

Those situations aren't completely equival. The dual 6-inch turret produces much more vibrations during firing, and drum-type magazine is generally more vibration-resistant than conveyor-type.

An interesting arrangement for a Tiger could be the replacement of each twin 3" with a 16 round Mk-22 Tartar. If I recall correctly, the later RN GWS missile cruiser designs with 4 twin 3" mounts were designed to replace two of them with Tartar when it became available.

Possible, technically possible, yes. But the problem is, Sea Dart was viewed as Tartar analogue.

P.S. An interesting idea might be a Sea Dart with a rotary drum magazine. A rotating ring of missiles, with two hoists inside leading to launcher arms.

 

[Dilandu]

In pure theory, it shouldn't be too hard to create a rotating drum type magazine, rotating around the loaders hoists. IRRC, the base diameter of Sea Dart launcher was about 5 meters, and missile wingspan was about 1 meter. So about 15-16 missiles could fit in such type of magazine. It would have a diameter about 7 meters.

(considering that Type 42 destroyers carried 22 missiles, I think 15-16 missiles is a reasonable magazine volume).

 

[Caryina2642]

How many Terriers could the tigers and swiftsure and superb (if they are brought up to tiger class standard) if you replace the aft 6inch turret?

 

[zen]

Does a drum magazine really need to match the circle of the launcher?
Arguably not.
16....a nice digital number, ideally with two extra training rounds.

Such a launcher system would cost more money to design and produce. But being designed around Sea Dart, which is larger than Tartar, does give greater scope for alternative missile options.

 

[Dilandu]

Does a drum magazine really need to match the circle of the launcher?
Arguably not.

Not exactly, but it's simpler from the technical point of view - no need to install some complicated transfer mechanism to move the missile from the drum to the hoist.

 

[Dilandu]

Such a launcher system would cost more money to design and produce. But being designed around Sea Dart, which is larger than Tartar, does give greater scope for alternative missile options.

Yep. Especially if single-arm launcher - which was suggested and seemingly even conceptualized, but not defeloped - could be adopted.