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Richard N

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TomS said:
Because whoever slapped that trash together has no idea what the Space Force would do, assuming it ever gets created. None of those logos stand any chance of becoming a real military service ensignia.
How about this logo in a photo posted by a very good friend of the administration:

"Roger Stone, longtime ally of President Donald Trump, posted a photoshopped picture on Instagram Tuesday showing himself, the president, and other Trumpworld defenders in spacesuits. But the picture shows the mock Space Force team wearing shocking insignias.

Swastikas.

They’re shown wearing Swastikas.

Judging by the imagery and the “in space no one can hear you lie” caption, the picture was most likely made by a Trump critic — but Stone decided to latch onto it at first in order to jab at the “liberal scumbags.”

Stone has deleted the picture, but screengrabs live forever:"

The picture may be unsettling to some on this forum, so I will instead provide this link to it and the above quote: https://www.mediaite.com/online/roger-stone-deletes-photo-of-himself-and-trump-in-space-force-suits-with-swastika-patches/
 

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I think the space force is not just conquering space.

Superiority? in space could affect air-to-air combat. Anyway, is massive resources in space major target?
 

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https://www.defenseone.com/politics/2018/09/creating-space-force-will-cost-13b-over-5-years-air-force-secretary/151312/

Something tells me that the USSF is headed for a crash and burn.

On a side note, shouldn't this topic be moved over to Space Projects or Aerospace?
 

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Grey Havoc said:
https://www.defenseone.com/politics/2018/09/creating-space-force-will-cost-13b-over-5-years-air-force-secretary/151312/

Something tells me that the USSF is headed for a crash and burn.

On a side note, shouldn't this topic be moved over to Space Projects or Aerospace?
It's not about hardware, so definitely not Space Projects. You could argue for Aerospace, but frankly this is politically contentious enough that it's probably better off in The Bar.
 

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Grey Havoc said:
https://www.defenseone.com/politics/2018/09/creating-space-force-will-cost-13b-over-5-years-air-force-secretary/151312/

Something tells me that the USSF is headed for a crash and burn.
Not to go all political but, if democrats take control, it's a virtual certainty if only because it was started under the Trump administration. They'd murder babies to jam a stick in his eye. ;) If he gets two terms, maybe it has enough momentum to keep it alive. It's certainly needed.
 

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Could pay for a chunk of it by closing the "indefinite detention" camps, cancelling The Wall we weren't gonna pay for, and by not paying himself taxpayer money to use his own properties 1 out of every 3 days in office. Which does he want more?
 

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Moose said:
Could pay for a chunk of it by closing the "indefinite detention" camps, cancelling The Wall we weren't gonna pay for, and by not paying himself taxpayer money to use his own properties 1 out of every 3 days in office. Which does he want more?
"Indefinite detention camps"? Gitmo? If we weren't going to pay for the wall then cancelling it doesn't save any money. Evidence he's "paying himself taxpayer money"? Or is he paying for services that are required anyway?
 

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sferrin said:
Moose said:
Could pay for a chunk of it by closing the "indefinite detention" camps, cancelling The Wall we weren't gonna pay for, and by not paying himself taxpayer money to use his own properties 1 out of every 3 days in office. Which does he want more?
"Indefinite detention camps"? Gitmo? If we weren't going to pay for the wall then cancelling it doesn't save any money. Evidence he's "paying himself taxpayer money"? Or is he paying for services that are required anyway?
This digression into partisan politics (clearly instigated by sferrin to air his own hobby-horse bull-shit political prejudices) is a terrible idea.
Stick to the topic instead?
 

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kaiserd said:
sferrin said:
Moose said:
Could pay for a chunk of it by closing the "indefinite detention" camps, cancelling The Wall we weren't gonna pay for, and by not paying himself taxpayer money to use his own properties 1 out of every 3 days in office. Which does he want more?
"Indefinite detention camps"? Gitmo? If we weren't going to pay for the wall then cancelling it doesn't save any money. Evidence he's "paying himself taxpayer money"? Or is he paying for services that are required anyway?
This digression into partisan politics (clearly instigated by sferrin to air his own hobby-horse bull-shit political prejudices) is a terrible idea.
Stick to the topic instead?
edit: Fair enough. Though I would argue, that at this early stage, politics is the only thing keeping the notion of a Space Force alive. Without political support it dies.
 

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https://www.space.com/41869-space-force-roadmap-air-force-secretary.html
 

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https://www.defensenews.com/newsletters/digital-show-daily/2018/09/18/how-the-air-force-plans-to-use-space-to-project-power-in-the-21st-century-2/?utm_campaign=Socialflow+DFN&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com

NATIONAL HARBOR, Md.— As the National Defense Strategy and National Security Strategy have made clear, space is set to become a crucial war fighting domain, as nearly every operation the military conducts relies on space assets.

So when the leaders of the Air Force’s Global Strike Command, Space Command, commander in Europe and Africa and special operations head all shared a stage at the Air Force Associations annual conference to discuss operations, its no surprise they chose to focus on how the service plans to leverage space assets to project power in the 21st century.

One reason space is so important, not just to the Air Force, but all military services, is that space assets enable multidomain operations that are becoming the norm in the modern warfare. Citing the Air Force’s successful strikes against Assad-regime chemical weapons manufacturing sites in Syria in April, Gen. Tod D. Wolters, commander of U.S. Air Forces in Europe and Africa, explained the mission was successful because “we had well-vetted and thorough multidomain operations.”
 

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MITCHELL INSTITUTE Policy Papers

Organizing Spacepower: Conditions for Creating a US Space Force

http://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/a2dd91_2ff8dfe95e694f80b4139d05650843ed.pdf
 

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https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2018/10/04/report-trump-may-fire-air-force-secretary-wilson-over-space-force/
 

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https://breakingdefense.com/2018/10/why-we-need-a-space-force-csiss-todd-harrison/

The Trump administration’s push to create a new military department, known as the Space Force, has generated a fair amount of skepticism and more than a few nerdy jokes. Despite being easy fodder for late-night comedians, the way in which the U.S. military and Intelligence Community are organized for space is a serious national security issue because the threats posed to U.S. space systems by other nations are real and growing. A Space Force is needed to consolidate authority and responsibility for national security space in a single chain of command; to build a robust cadre of space professionals who can develop space-centric strategy and doctrine; and to avoid the conflicts of interest inherent in the other services that have short-changed space programs for decades.
http://defense360.csis.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Harrison_Endgame_D360_.pdf
 

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http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/24953/star-wars-dod-execs-and-the-usaf-are-already-battling-over-a-non-existent-space-force-budget
 

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Grey Havoc said:
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/24953/star-wars-dod-execs-and-the-usaf-are-already-battling-over-a-non-existent-space-force-budget
"Star Wars" ::) Lemme guess, Tyler Rogoway?
 

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https://gizmodo.com/rip-independent-space-force-2018-2018-1830728483
 

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Just in case it wasn't that clear:
It's "The Bar" here, but bar fights are only a regular feature of Western Saloons.
In a bar, there's a bouncer !

The topic is "The US Space Force", so, please back to this topic !
Next step would be to turn it into a "News Only !" thread.
:mad:
 

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https://breakingdefense.com/2019/04/air-force-sec-says-us-may-demo-new-space-weapon-to-deter/?fbclid=IwAR3qvE8irfgLeXmugQhlclmxHa_l6DVvx6p0RsW5DVt_HMgCTRZrSzObdyU

SPACE SYMPOSIUM: We got a glimpse into the Pentagon’s new space strategy when Air Force Secretary Heather Wilson said that the US may “demonstrate some capabilities so our adversaries understand that they will not be able to deny us the use of space without consequences.”

Wilson and Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. David Goldfein spoke yesterday with reporters here.

This is the first time I can recall a senior defense official openly discussing using a new weapon in space (whether it’s aimed at something in space or is in space is impossible to determine from her comment) to send a clear message of deterrence.

In what appeared to be unscripted comments in response to a question — but probably weren’t — Wilson started off saying: “There are certain things we don’t discuss publicly about our capabilities.” Then came the stinger: “There may come a point where we demonstrate some capabilities so our adversaries understand that they will not be able to deny us the use of space without consequences. That capability needs to be one that’s understood by your adversary. They need to know there are certain things we can do, at least at some broad level.”
Hmm interesting laser? HTK? Ground launched? Air launched?
 

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If SM-3 Block I can do a direct accent intercept against a satellite in LEO how high could GBI reach? (Or even SM-3 Block II.) Food for thought.
 

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Another DARPA project. It would be encouraging if the Air Force was doing this if they want to retain DOD mission ownership over space. Meanwhile, I wonder how Boeing is doing with the XS-1.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tra0aR0zppA
 

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If SM-3 Block I can do a direct accent intercept against a satellite in LEO how high could GBI reach? (Or even SM-3 Block II.) Food for thought.
The answer for SM-3 Blk II is 1,500km.


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