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New Su-35S for the RuA&SF ....

ОАК передала Минобороны РФ новую партию истребителей Су-35С​


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ОАК передала Минобороны РФ новую партию истребителей Су-35С

Объединенная авиастроительная корпорация (ОАК, входит в госкорпорацию «Ростех») передала Минобороны России партию многофункциональных истребителей Су-35С. Об этом 12 мая сообщили в пресс-службе корпорации в Telegram-канале.
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EmoBirb said:
Could someone explain why the Russian naval aviation prefers/uses the Su-30SM rather than utilizing the Su-35S like the VKS does?
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I am guessing because the SM (which is similar to the MKI) is a more multi-role aircraft and has more capability to do various strike/maritime strike roles. VKS use of the Su-35S may be more strictly focused on air superiority.
 
EmoBirb said:
Could someone explain why the Russian naval aviation prefers/uses the Su-30SM rather than utilizing the Su-35S like the VKS does?
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Probably because the Su-30SM is a better multirole fighter (two pilots), in VMF land based tactical units it will replace all Su-24s, so it will do both air defence of VMF bases as well as the strike missions the Su-24 was doing in support of naval operations.
 
helmutkohl said:
I am guessing because the SM (which is similar to the MKI) is a more multi-role aircraft and has more capability to do various strike/maritime strike roles. VKS use of the Su-35S may be more strictly focused on air superiority.
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But given that the Su-35S is overall more modern and also capable of launching A2G (and thus probably with a bit of tweaking A2S) munitions I think that the Su-35S could probably do most of the stuff the Su-30SM does. I suppose the WSO is the biggest upside? Given that it means less load on the pilot who has to process lots of info. And as the SM2 is supposedly an SM but brought up to the Su-35 standard, it seems like they want that second crewmember per plane really badly. Because I doubt the Su-30SM2 will be much cheaper if at all cheaper than the Su-35S of which like 130 have already been produced I think.
 
AGS-1787 said:
Those ecm pods are big!
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Yes,they are. Weighing several hundreds of kgs those wing stations known as L265M10-01 as part of the L175M10-35S Khibiny-M jamm system have two substations: 'Regata' for the ELINT and 'Proran' for the ECM.

Version L265M10-02 is for export only.

''ECM pods Khibiny-M L-265M10-02 (mounted onto Su-35 wingtips) exhibited at #MAKS2017 ©Mikhail Zherdev''

https://twitter.com/x/status/887644985339858944
View: https://x.com/Russian_Defence/status/887644985339858944
 
EmoBirb said:
But given that the Su-35S is overall more modern and also capable of launching A2G (and thus probably with a bit of tweaking A2S) munitions I think that the Su-35S could probably do most of the stuff the Su-30SM does. I suppose the WSO is the biggest upside? Given that it means less load on the pilot who has to process lots of info. And as the SM2 is supposedly an SM but brought up to the Su-35 standard, it seems like they want that second crewmember per plane really badly. Because I doubt the Su-30SM2 will be much cheaper if at all cheaper than the Su-35S of which like 130 have already been produced I think.
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Fair question, but lets put it in this way

the Su-30SM is basically a "Russianized" version of the Su-30MKI. When you combine all of them (the SM, MKI, MKM, MKA, etc). That's about 600 ish? combined. India is likely to continue using the MKI for a long time, producing spare parts for it and continuing to integrate it with various weapons.
In the 2000s, Russia basically piggybacked off the Russian designed equipment for India (the 30MKI, Mig-29K, etc), because they are a large and stable operator. This series also has more done to make it capable for strike.
While the Su-35 can do strike, the MKI/SM can do it better. Although there are intentions to make the 35 more multi-role, there's less motivation by its operators do commit to that path. The Russian Air Force has the Su-34s, and China has the J-16 among many other options.

If you had to look at another analogy, you can compare the Rafale and Typhoon. The Typhoon is strike capable, but a2g integration has been much slower. Its primary operators aren't strongly pushing it as they have the F-35 and Tornado to do those roles.
 
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helmutkohl said:
Fair question, but lets put it in this way

the Su-30SM is basically a "Russianized" version of the Su-30MKI. When you combine all of them (the SM, MKI, MKM, MKA, etc). That's about 600 ish? combined. India is likely to continue using the MKI for a long time, producing spare parts for it and continuing to integrate it with various weapons.
In the 2000s, Russia basically piggybacked off the Russian designed equipment for India (the 30MKI, Mig-29K, etc), because they are a large and stable operator. This series also has more done to make it capable for strike.
While the Su-35 can do strike, the MKI/SM can do it better. Although there are intentions to make the 35 more multi-role, there's less motivation by its operators do commit to that path. The Russian Air Force has the Su-34s, and China has the J-16 among many other options.

If you had to look at another analogy, you can compare the Rafale and Typhoon. The Typhoon is strike capable, but a2g integration has been much slower. Its primary operators aren't strongly pushing it as they have the F-35 and Tornado to do those roles.
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Sounds plausible, much appreciated
 
helmutkohl said:
The Typhoon is strike capable, but a2g integration has been much slower.
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Yes and No. There has been some myth making over time around that...truth is its a bit of a mixed bag...

Rafale - Entered service in 2001, A2A only. 6 Rafale received LGB capability in 2007...6 years from service entry
Typhoon - Entered service in 2005, A2A only. Tranche 1 received LGB capability in 2008....3 years from service entry

So the premise starts out as utterly false.... Rafale then added SCALP and AASM in time for Libya in 2011 (9 years from service entry for SCALP and AASM), Typhoon went on to add PWIV in 2014 (9 years), and had better Designation Pods available (better by a margin as well, continues to have better as well) but then took another 4 years under Project Centurion to get Storm Shadow and Brimstone (13 years from service entry, as the RAF Tornado were hastily withdrawn). At the same time Typhoon got Meteor far earlier...

So in short, Typhoon actually got Air to Ground quicker than Rafale, was slower on integration of more complex air to ground munitions. Typhoon then expanded its (already more capable) air to air capabilities with Meteor well ahead of Rafale, caught up with PWIV (2014) and Storm Shadow/Brimstone (2018, remember Rafale still doesn't have anything like Brimstone) and is moving well ahead with additional weapons like JDAM, SDB1, Spear, Taurus and AARGM arriving or in an imminent pipeline...Right now Typhoon has far more weapons available than Rafale, in air to air and air to ground and in the main more relevant/capable ones too (for example Marte-ER is a far better AShm than AM.39 Exocet).....Rafale's weapon integration has, in contrast, significantly slowed and now seems reliant of UAE funding SmartGlider at some vague point in the future and integrating a new nuclear missile.
 
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Su-30SM is less modern than SU-35, and is actually an "russianized" MKM (India uses different HUD and other systems.
Su-35 has better avionics than 30SM, ergo, it's a better multirole.
I think that transition to Su-30SM is more due to ease to crew switch and retraining, as it's a transition from 2-seat to two seat; you don't need to re-educate WSO to be proper fighter pilot as it would be the case with Su-24->Su-35 switch.
 
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