Avimimus said:...what would it be like?
Kryptid said:Are there any companies in Iran that make jet engines of any sort? Even for light, Learjet-type planes? Are there any countries outside of Iran currently willing to sell them small turbofans?
If they are limited to existing engines in their inventory, could they make a plane with 3 or 4 J85s to compete with larger fighters? Sounds bad for fuel consumption and maintenance, but you've gotta make use of what you can when resources are small.
1. Buy many WS-13 turbofans from CHINAAAAAA.Abraham Gubler said:Limited to a 5,000 lbs J85 (with afterburner) knock off engine as they are I wouldn’t be doing anything different to trying to improve the F-5.
PaulMM (Overscan) said:Cruise missiles. Lots of them.
Why would you even consider the design of a 'real' combat aircraft for Iran, Avimimus? -SPAvimimus said:...what would it be like?
Kryptid said:I might be shot for for saying this, but maybe something along the lines of the Qaher-313 could actually be made to work. I wouldn't pit it as a dogfighter by any means, but it could make a decent subsonic strike aircraft. Keep the main inlets on top for reducing returns from ground-based radar, but enlarge them enough to feed a decent engine. Go with a simple, non-afterburning turbofan if at all possible. I'd also put some auxiliary inlet doors on the lower fuselage to help supply air to the engines at moderate angles of attack. Keep it small to reduce costs (but make it large enough to fit a pilot comfortably). Build it out of relatively conventional materials to reduce cost further. Use planform alignment more extensively and some internal weapons bays. It would never be as stealthy as an F-22 or F-35, but it might be able to reach that of a clean F/A-18E/F.
Steve Pace said:Why would you even consider the design of a 'real' combat aircraft for Iran, Avimimus? -SPAvimimus said:...what would it be like?
lol yes Paul you are absolutishe right i always think about Pakistan duno whyPaulMM (Overscan) said:JF-17 is China/Pakistan, not Iran. :
Ten exciting things you could do with your chainsaw but probably shouldn't come to mind.Madurai said:Steve Pace said:Why would you even consider the design of a 'real' combat aircraft for Iran, Avimimus? -SPAvimimus said:...what would it be like?
What else do we do here but consider designs?
Use well-known VLO technology to build the lightest/simplest possible airframe that can carry a single anti-ship missile over a combat-radius of ~500nm. Just focus on those 3 requirements and you'll have a credible area-denial capability that won't cost much.Avimimus said:...what would it be like?
Madurai said:Steve Pace said:Why would you even consider the design of a 'real' combat aircraft for Iran, Avimimus? -SPAvimimus said:...what would it be like?
What else do we do here but consider designs?
kcran567 said:How about reverse engineering their f-4s and rewinging (pic reposted from another topic) it with an f-22 wing? some primitive flight control thrust vectoring. Or instead of the strange Q-313, why not go all the way and try to build a full on copy of the x-36. Paint it dark grey and call it a day.
Avimimus said:...what would it be like?
quellish said:But if I were designing a combat aircraft for Iran, it would probably be a lightweight prop using an automotive engine that can be produced locally. Something like a PC-9 or PC-6.
Jemiba said:To my opinion even smaller, lighter, simpler ! And produced in numbers, as big as possible. Remembering the way Iran fought against Iraq, I think, the main weapons
actually would be men (down to childrens age), equipped just with the absolute minimum of weapons. So, instead of building something fighter-like, why not
mass produce light aircraft, that could be hidden in barns, garages and other buildings, take-off from the street in front and attack, maybe just once?
Jemiba said:Count von Rosen was relatively successful with that kind of air attacks in Biafra !
i would imagine that they are already using those engines though. either as spare parts for the still flyable F-4's, or as subjects of dissection and attempts at reverse engineering.Abraham Gubler said:They must have at least 200 J79s sitting around in Iran both in and out of non flyable F-4s. So maybe they could build 200 F-5 copies powered by rebuilt J79s? Would make for a heavy, big arsed F-20. Better than most of their other, limited, options.