Scaled Composites Model 151 ARES

Abraham Gubler

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Mar 18, 2008
Messages
3,555
Reaction score
306
Orionblamblam said:
So long as the target was the ground surrounding the truck, and not the truck itself...

They are falling short in that still which has nothing to do with the yaw brought about by the off axis gun but rather the pilot pressing the trigget a fraction too early.
 

cluttonfred

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Dec 31, 2008
Messages
1,410
Reaction score
166
Website
cluttonfred.info
In any case, I doubt very much that the U.S. Navy or Marine Corps would be looking to use something like the Ares as a cannon-armed gun platform--even the A-10's tank-hunting days are pretty much over.

But an updated Ares-like light ground attack jet, armored against small arms fire, carrying countermeasures against MANPADS and armed with light missiles like the AGM-176 Griffin and guided 2.75 in rockets would be very handy as an inexpensive COIN platform for the USA and allied nations around the world. A couple of FN Browning M3 .50 caliber machine guns or one three-barreled GAU-19 .50 cal Gatling gun would provide flexibility in engaging thin-skinned ground targets, other aircraft and helicopters. Air-to-Air Stinger could even be an option.

And you could buy, train, equip and operate a couple of squadrons of them for less than the price of one F-35. I'm just saying....
 

topspeed3

ACCESS: Secret
Joined
Jan 31, 2011
Messages
246
Reaction score
36
Website
max3fan.blogspot.com
Abraham Gubler said:
Orionblamblam said:
So long as the target was the ground surrounding the truck, and not the truck itself...

They are falling short in that still which has nothing to do with the yaw brought about by the off axis gun but rather the pilot pressing the trigget a fraction too early.
Me-109 was designed for the gun..it fired through the propellor hub..with devastating accuracy. Cannon barrel went though the engine literally.
 

Orionblamblam

ACCESS: Above Top Secret
Top Contributor
Senior Member
Joined
Apr 5, 2006
Messages
8,641
Reaction score
2,870
Website
www.aerospaceprojectsreview.com
Abraham Gubler said:
Orionblamblam said:
So long as the target was the ground surrounding the truck, and not the truck itself...

They are falling short in that still...

Actually, if you watch the video, the rounds are sweeping from side to side just before that still (thus the "wall" of dirt), and then they strike *beyond* the truck. I didn't see *any* rounds actually hit the truck, which kinda dumps all over the claim that every round hit the target.
 

coanda

ACCESS: Secret
Joined
Feb 3, 2009
Messages
289
Reaction score
276
I think that it looks a little marginal in yaw, given the aircrafts response to other manouveres. The nose yaw is obvious in the HUD shots, when the gun fires but it doesn't really rule out the pilot yawing the aircraft to move over the target.
 

yasotay

ACCESS: Top Secret
Top Contributor
Senior Member
Joined
Oct 19, 2006
Messages
2,835
Reaction score
1,532
Thanks for the link, thise are some great pictures. Anyone have any idea what the airraft is being used for these days?
 

quellish

I don’t read The Drive. The Drive reads me.
Senior Member
Joined
Aug 6, 2007
Messages
2,216
Reaction score
313
yasotay said:
Thanks for the link, thise are some great pictures. Anyone have any idea what the airraft is being used for these days?


It's been doing a lot of work at Pax River, probably simulating a threat.
 

Abraham Gubler

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Mar 18, 2008
Messages
3,555
Reaction score
306
quellish said:
yasotay said:
Thanks for the link, thise are some great pictures. Anyone have any idea what the airraft is being used for these days?


It's been doing a lot of work at Pax River, probably simulating a threat.


That Iranian toy looking, mini fighter? 303 something?
 

yasotay

ACCESS: Top Secret
Top Contributor
Senior Member
Joined
Oct 19, 2006
Messages
2,835
Reaction score
1,532
Still think the USN Test Pilot School is the most likely candidate.
 

flateric

ACCESS: Above Top Secret
Staff member
Top Contributor
Senior Member
Joined
Apr 2, 2006
Messages
9,249
Reaction score
1,682
...
 

Attachments

  • NG pod1.jpg
    NG pod1.jpg
    207 KB · Views: 878
  • NG pod2.jpg
    NG pod2.jpg
    88.2 KB · Views: 854
  • NG pod3.jpg
    NG pod3.jpg
    137 KB · Views: 855
  • 151_ARES_002_22213.jpg
    151_ARES_002_22213.jpg
    294.7 KB · Views: 840

RAP

ACCESS: Top Secret
Top Contributor
Senior Member
Joined
Jan 29, 2008
Messages
700
Reaction score
489
ARES gun installation.
 

Attachments

  • ARES gatling gun.png
    ARES gatling gun.png
    1.8 MB · Views: 223

Jeb

ACCESS: Secret
Joined
Jul 2, 2007
Messages
300
Reaction score
63
Kinda stubby barrels, aren't they? No wonder they make such a fireball.
 

TomS

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Apr 16, 2008
Messages
4,880
Reaction score
2,394
Jeb said:
Kinda stubby barrels, aren't they? No wonder they make such a fireball.

They're about 70 calibers long. Not that short.
 

TomS

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Apr 16, 2008
Messages
4,880
Reaction score
2,394
Those are around 76 calibers, so in the same ballpark.

Of course, that's only half the story; internal ballistics vary between cartridges. I'm not sure how the 25mm cartridge burns -- it might be all-burnt later than the 20mm and 30mm rounds. I think the Bushmaster barrel is a bit longer (closer to 80 calibers) so that might be the "natural" barrel length.
 

Dynoman

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Jul 29, 2009
Messages
975
Reaction score
433
Courtesy of Aviation Archives:
 

Attachments

  • Ares Flight Performance.jpg
    Ares Flight Performance.jpg
    730.8 KB · Views: 78
  • Ares Climb Performance.jpg
    Ares Climb Performance.jpg
    600.9 KB · Views: 75

quellish

I don’t read The Drive. The Drive reads me.
Senior Member
Joined
Aug 6, 2007
Messages
2,216
Reaction score
313
flateric said:
https://www.facebook.com/ScaledComposites/posts/10154955770510658

Back in the 90s there were one or two articles about ARES in Sport Aviation, the EAA newsletter/magazine that had some interesting details (and I believe this same illustration)
 

rooster

ACCESS: Secret
Joined
Jun 21, 2019
Messages
306
Reaction score
191

asiscan

ACCESS: Confidential
Joined
Apr 4, 2014
Messages
72
Reaction score
50
From what I understand the ARES or LCBAA concept had little chance of entering service following the dissolution of the Soviet Union, with reduced NATO priority, and the start of the Persian Gulf War Part 1. Inter-service rivalry between Army and USAF seems a minor point with the Johnson-McConnell agreement of 1966.

The spectre of an all out Soviet armoured thrust backed by attack helicopters into Western Europe died out, so did any requirement for a Low Cost Attack weapon system. I'm not even certain if there was a formal requirement for the LCBAA or if it was a pitch by companies trying to convince the military that was a good idea - like the Phalanx Corp (taking it to the extreme).
 

Similar threads

Top