Scaled Composites Model 151 ARES

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Orionblamblam said:
So long as the target was the ground surrounding the truck, and not the truck itself...
They are falling short in that still which has nothing to do with the yaw brought about by the off axis gun but rather the pilot pressing the trigget a fraction too early.
 

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In any case, I doubt very much that the U.S. Navy or Marine Corps would be looking to use something like the Ares as a cannon-armed gun platform--even the A-10's tank-hunting days are pretty much over.

But an updated Ares-like light ground attack jet, armored against small arms fire, carrying countermeasures against MANPADS and armed with light missiles like the AGM-176 Griffin and guided 2.75 in rockets would be very handy as an inexpensive COIN platform for the USA and allied nations around the world. A couple of FN Browning M3 .50 caliber machine guns or one three-barreled GAU-19 .50 cal Gatling gun would provide flexibility in engaging thin-skinned ground targets, other aircraft and helicopters. Air-to-Air Stinger could even be an option.

And you could buy, train, equip and operate a couple of squadrons of them for less than the price of one F-35. I'm just saying....
 

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Abraham Gubler said:
Orionblamblam said:
So long as the target was the ground surrounding the truck, and not the truck itself...
They are falling short in that still which has nothing to do with the yaw brought about by the off axis gun but rather the pilot pressing the trigget a fraction too early.
Me-109 was designed for the gun..it fired through the propellor hub..with devastating accuracy. Cannon barrel went though the engine literally.
 

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Abraham Gubler said:
Orionblamblam said:
So long as the target was the ground surrounding the truck, and not the truck itself...
They are falling short in that still...
Actually, if you watch the video, the rounds are sweeping from side to side just before that still (thus the "wall" of dirt), and then they strike *beyond* the truck. I didn't see *any* rounds actually hit the truck, which kinda dumps all over the claim that every round hit the target.
 

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I think that it looks a little marginal in yaw, given the aircrafts response to other manouveres. The nose yaw is obvious in the HUD shots, when the gun fires but it doesn't really rule out the pilot yawing the aircraft to move over the target.
 

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Thanks for the link, thise are some great pictures. Anyone have any idea what the airraft is being used for these days?
 

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yasotay said:
Thanks for the link, thise are some great pictures. Anyone have any idea what the airraft is being used for these days?

It's been doing a lot of work at Pax River, probably simulating a threat.
 

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quellish said:
yasotay said:
Thanks for the link, thise are some great pictures. Anyone have any idea what the airraft is being used for these days?

It's been doing a lot of work at Pax River, probably simulating a threat.

That Iranian toy looking, mini fighter? 303 something?
 

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Still think the USN Test Pilot School is the most likely candidate.
 

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Kinda stubby barrels, aren't they? No wonder they make such a fireball.
 

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Jeb said:
Kinda stubby barrels, aren't they? No wonder they make such a fireball.
They're about 70 calibers long. Not that short.
 

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TomS said:
Jeb said:
Kinda stubby barrels, aren't they? No wonder they make such a fireball.
They're about 70 calibers long. Not that short.
How does that compare to the M61 or GAU-8?
 

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Those are around 76 calibers, so in the same ballpark.

Of course, that's only half the story; internal ballistics vary between cartridges. I'm not sure how the 25mm cartridge burns -- it might be all-burnt later than the 20mm and 30mm rounds. I think the Bushmaster barrel is a bit longer (closer to 80 calibers) so that might be the "natural" barrel length.
 

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flateric said:
https://www.facebook.com/ScaledComposites/posts/10154955770510658
Back in the 90s there were one or two articles about ARES in Sport Aviation, the EAA newsletter/magazine that had some interesting details (and I believe this same illustration)
 
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