Russia vs Ukraine: Crimean Crisis

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ORIGINAL CAPTION: Markets are falling as the threat of Russian military action in Ukraine intensifies Photo: ALAMY

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Cannot face the Apocalypse without some quality dairy products and pastry.

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On a tangential note I find it fascinating that the US and Russia's national character resemble the symbols (bear, eagle), in my mind, at least, from WWII. The big, lumbering (yet athletic, powerful) ground based wrecking machine (the massive land army of unstoppable, courageous Soviets) and the graceful soaring eagle with deadly speed and killing strike (personified for me in the 8th AF in Europe or Lemay's Pacific AF).
 
Indeed, sometimes a cliche, isn't.

In other news: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/vladimir-putins-approval-rating-hits-three-year-high-as-russians-back-putin-over-ukraine-9192170.html
 
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?236054-2nd-attempt-at-the-Ukraine-discussion-thread&p=7086935&viewfull=1#post7086935
official casus belli.
Ukrainians arrested a Russian soldier (Chechen born Ramzan Susarov), who got lost and walked into Ukrainian checkpoint in full loadout, and took him away from Crimea into Ukrainian territory.
http://uapress.info/ru/news/show/18687

video here: http://korrespondent.net/ukraine/pol...ata-yz-chechny
 
http://news.yahoo.com/crimea-means-more-russia-falklands-britain-lavrov-160540285.html

http://news.yahoo.com/crimea-wary-eastern-europe-asks-whos-next-133708421.html
 
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Breaking! Crimean forces captured american strike/recon. UAV MQ-5B
http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1375991

In Crimea intercepted American reconnaissance and strike UAV MQ-5B, belonging to the 66th Military Intelligence Brigade, at the beginning of March 2014 brought in from Bavaria in Kirovograd Ukraine.
The device, which went on the 4000-meter height and almost invisible from the ground, detected by the electronic warfare complex 1L222 "Avtobaza". The complex severed communication of UAV with operator and MQ-5B crash landed, captured almost intact by Crimean forces.

Hmmmm.
 
"Russia says intercepted US drone over Crimea: arms group"
AFP

Source:
http://news.yahoo.com/russia-says-intercepted-us-drone-over-crimea-arms-180430584.html

Moscow (AFP) - A United States surveillance drone has been intercepted above the Ukranian region of Crimea, a Russian state arms and technology group said Friday.

"The drone was flying at about 4,000 metres (12,000 feet) and was virtually invisible from the ground. It was possible to break the link with US operators with complex radio-electronic" technology, said Rostec in a statement.

The drone fell "almost intact into the hands of self-defence forces" added Rostec, which said it had manufactured the equipment used to down the aircraft, but did not specify who was operating it.

"Judging by its identification number, UAV MQ-5B belonged to the 66th American Reconnaissance Brigade, based in Bavaria," Rostec said on its website, which also carried a picture of what it said was the captured drone.

The photograph appeared to show an apparently armed drone in flight, rather than debris.

The Crimean port of Sevastopol is home to Russia's Black Sea Fleet, which is believed to be equipped with detection equipment.

Crimea, where pro-Kremlin forces have control, is to hold a referendum on Sunday on the peninsula joining Russia, in what Moscow says is a fair expression of self identity but the West views as an illegal annexation of sovereign territory.
 
"The home front: The Kremlin’s belligerence in Ukraine will ultimately weaken Russia"
Mar 15th 2014 | MOSCOW |

Source:
http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21599061-kremlins-belligerence-ukraine-will-ultimately-weaken-russia-home-front

NOBODY, apart from Vladimir Putin, Russia’s president, knows what awaits Ukraine. If the Kremlin stops at the annexation of Crimea, the rest of Ukraine may survive and reform itself into a modern European state. If, on the other hand, Mr Putin moves deeper into Ukraine, the country may descend into a bloody partisan war. Russian troops were reported to be massing on the eastern border of Ukraine as The Economist went to press.

Worryingly, the Kremlin justifies its actions in Crimea by citing a need to protect the Russian-speaking population, which would equally justify a military operation in the south and east of the country. Mr Putin sees himself as not just the president of Russia, but as a protector of the “Russian World”, an ill-defined conglomerate. His idea of gathering historic Russian lands into his own fief has pushed Kiev, the cradle of Russian cities, farther away from Moscow than it has ever been.

Yet it is not just Ukraine that faces a threat from the Kremlin. So does Russia itself. And whereas Ukraine may yet shake off the Kremlin’s grip, the chances of Russia’s becoming a modern, civilised country, open to the world and respectful of its citizens, are diminishing with every outburst of war hysteria on Russian television.

This marks a new period in Russia’s post-Soviet history, rather as the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968 marked a new chapter in the Soviet empire’s post-Stalinist history. The tanks in Prague crushed not only Czech reformers, but also hopes among Russians of building a more humane socialism at home. Similarly, Russia’s escapade in Ukraine entrenches its own authoritarian, oil-dependent and fundamentally weak state.

The Ukrainian revolution last month posed an existential threat to Mr Putin’s paternalistic and kleptocratic system by prompting the question: if Ukraine can cut itself off from the Soviet legacy, why can’t Russia? As one person close to the Kremlin says, the most frequent comment echoing around those walls during the protests on Maidan was: “Do we want this to happen in Moscow?”

In preparation for Russia’s actions in Ukraine, the Kremlin cleared the last pockets of independent media. Ria Novosti, a state-news agency, which sheltered loyal but liberal-minded journalists, was purged and turned into a blunt propaganda instrument. TV Rain, a private television channel which provided the most objective coverage of the Ukrainian protests, was taken off the air by the main cable providers, acting on the Kremlin’s instructions. The internet, once free of Kremlin control, has been restricted by new, vague laws. On March 12th the editor of one of the most popular news sites, Lenta.ru, was replaced with a pro-Kremlin appointee. Its journalists threatened to resign in protest: “The trouble is not that we won’t have anywhere to work, but that you won’t have anything to read.” Dmitry Peskov, a spokesman for Mr Putin, labelled anyone objecting to the Kremlin’s actions part of a “nano-sized fifth column”.

A patriotic frenzy whipped up by television muffles any dissent. Television executives who were trained as part of their Soviet-era military services in “special propaganda”, which sought to “demoralise the enemy army and establish control over the occupied territory”, created a virtual enemy in Crimea—fascist revolutionaries whose overthrow of the legitimate government justified the movement of real troops.

People close to Mr Putin say he had been harbouring the idea of taking Crimea since the war in 2008 with Georgia, which resulted in the de facto occupation of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, its two breakaway republics. Yet the context is different. Kirill Rogov, a political columnist, argues that the war in Georgia served as a patriotic accompaniment to Russia’s economic resurgence. Ukraine serves as its substitute.

Russia’s economic stagnation has exposed the limits of Mr Putin’s political and economic model, which relied on rising oil revenues and allowed him to buy the support of the elite and the acquiescence of the population at large. Real disposable incomes, which rose by 12% in 2007, on the eve of the war with Georgia, are forecast to rise by 3% this year. The Kremlin faced a choice between political liberalisation and mobilisation of the country by the means of war and repression. Mr Putin has chosen the latter.

Confrontation with the West is one of the main goals of Mr Putin’s operations. Any sanctions imposed will allow him to blame Russia’s economic downturn on the West, though that may not placate the ruling class, with its cash stashed abroad in property and bank accounts.

Mr Putin has tried to reduce the elite’s vulnerability to sanctions by warning it to repatriate its money and even passing a law banning the ownership of foreign bank accounts by Russian officials. Yet there is little sign those measures have had any effect, and Mr Putin’s actions are bound to damage the wider Russian economy. They will accelerate capital flight, raise the cost of borrowing and restrict new investment. This could lead to a fall in the value of the currency and in living standards. Although Russian sabre-rattling has given Mr Putin’s ratings a short-term boost, it is unlikely to arrest the growing discontent with his policies for long. As Andrei Zorin at Oxford University notes, the militaristic euphoria was even stronger 100 years ago when the tsar dragged Russia into the first world war. Two years later, that enthusiasm had vanished and the Russian empire started to crumble.

As part of the mobilisation the Kremlin organised a Soviet-style letter, endorsing Mr Putin’s policies, from famous cultural figures such as Valery Gergiev, a celebrated conductor. But another letter, sent to Mr Putin by a journalist from Vologda, the heart of Russia, provides a clue as to how some ordinary Russians feel. “Could you also send the troops to the Vologda region?” it said. “We are all Russian-speakers here and our rights are really infringed upon: our sick cannot get medication and care, our education is getting worse every year, our agriculture is dead.”
 
"Russia Is Preparing to Invade East Ukraine, Estonia Says"
By Ott Ummelas Mar 14, 2014 5:32 AM PT

Source:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-14/russia-is-preparing-to-invade-east-ukraine-estonia-says.html?cmpid=yhoo

Russian President Vladimir Putin is preparing to “invade eastern Ukraine” after occupying the country’s Black Sea peninsula of Crimea, Estonia said.

Russia warned that Ukraine’s government has lost control of the country today, fueling concern the Kremlin may extend a military intervention as U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry called for it to halt a takeover of the disputed province.

Events in Ukraine “clearly show that the Russian Federation only accepts force,” Estonian Defense Minister Urmas Reinsalu said in an e-mailed statement today. To deter Putin, “a clear message needs to be sent that an attack will cost the aggressor dearly.”

In the biggest dispute between Russia and the West since the fall of the Iron Curtain, the standoff is shaking markets and threatening to upset more than two decades of economic and diplomatic integration between former Cold War enemies. It’s also raising the risk that a lasting geographical conflict zone may emerge between Russia and the European Union.
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10699537/Russia-and-the-West-fail-in-last-minute-Ukraine-talks.html
 
bobbymike said:
On a tangential note I find it fascinating that the US and Russia's national character resemble the symbols (bear, eagle), in my mind, at least, from WWII. The big, lumbering (yet athletic, powerful) ground based wrecking machine (the massive land army of unstoppable, courageous Soviets) and the graceful soaring eagle with deadly speed and killing strike (personified for me in the 8th AF in Europe or Lemay's Pacific AF).

Strange choices for your "graceful soaring Eagle". Both the 8 AF and LeMay's XXI Bomber Command were anything but. They were lumbering steamrollers which dropped massive amounts of High Explosive in a manner comparable to the largest barrages of the Western Front in WWI - indiscriminately and over large areas (the myth of "precision daylight boming" was exactly that, a myth).

BTW, wasn't Benjamin Franklin against the choice of the Bald Eagle as a US national symbol because:

For my own part. I wish the Bald Eagle had not been chosen the Representative of our Country. He is a Bird of bad moral Character. He does not get his Living honestly ... Besides he is a rank Coward: The little King Bird not bigger than a Sparrow attacks him boldly and drives him out of the District.
The Bald Eagle being a scavenger and often stealing other bird's prey/kills.

The Bear also is often a scavenger and of course irritable and bad tempered and unpredictable, so it's hardly better...
 
Kadija_Man said:
Strange choices for your "graceful soaring Eagle". Both the 8 AF and LeMay's XXI Bomber Command were anything but. They were lumbering steamrollers which dropped massive amounts of High Explosive in a manner comparable to the largest barrages of the Western Front in WWI - indiscriminately and over large areas (the myth of "precision daylight boming" was exactly that, a myth).

BTW, wasn't Benjamin Franklin against the choice of the Bald Eagle as a US national symbol because:

For my own part. I wish the Bald Eagle had not been chosen the Representative of our Country. He is a Bird of bad moral Character. He does not get his Living honestly ... Besides he is a rank Coward: The little King Bird not bigger than a Sparrow attacks him boldly and drives him out of the District.
The Bald Eagle being a scavenger and often stealing other bird's prey/kills.

The Bear also is often a scavenger and of course irritable and bad tempered and unpredictable, so it's hardly better...

Is obvious.
 

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sferrin said:
Where does the Monroe Doctrine dictate that the US go on conquest against it's neighbors? I don't seem to recall the US taking over Canada, Mexico (not that we'd want that), the Bahamas, etc.
Panama, Puerto Rico, Cuba for instance weren’t conquests? SSSR conquered Poland, Hungary, Romania, Czechoslovakia, Estonia, Letonia , Lithuania and Bulgaria. From non-aligned point of view, there is no difference.
mz said:
Have you spent a lot of time in Germany? I haven't been to Russia, I must grant that. But saying Europe is like in the thirties is a weird view. There are some far right movements but they are small and don't have any real power anywhere. Germany is doing relatively well and certainly is not acting aggressively towards its neighbors.

I have relatives in Germany. I never said it is like in the thirties, I said it is going in that direction. 20-30 years ago it was unimaginable for any European country to support a government which came to power in armed putsch and partly consists of Nazis. When the dealing with the Nazis did became the new norm?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/democratization-and-anti-semitism-in-ukraine-neo-nazi-symbols-become-the-new-normal/5371919
I can sign the rest of your post.
The mass media smelled blood. It’s always easier to report about war in some foreign country, good and bad guys than local economy.
You always have to use as many sources as possible when trying to figure out what is going on in a crisis.
http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/723202
What happens when and if the Ukrainian surveillance planes find no invading army on the other side of the border?
New Ukrainian leadership announced the formation of National Guard of 6000, then 20000 soldiers and they say there is already 40000 volunteers. Giving their track record with mobilizations, I wouldn’t hold my breath. The question is, why the National Guard when you have a regular army? The government does not trust it’s own armed forces? Are they aiming to legalize the Right Sector paramilitary as part of armed forces?
In my opinion, this invasion and National Guard speeches are a smoke screen for the real trouble for the Ukrainians, austerity measures which seems are planned before the May elections.
http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/mitchell-a--orenstein-says-that-the-west-should-not-demand-austerity-until-after-the-may-election#gF9gXgVVEqtXQulu.99
Meanwhile, it’s business as usual in France, Vladivostok begun it’s sea trials.
http://defense-update.com/20140306_vladivostok_mistral.html

Here’s an article about the Russian policy makers in Ukraine.
http://www.russia-direct.org/content/who-influenced-kremlins-policy-ukraine?utm_source=newsletter_RD_3_2_2014&utm_medium=news&utm_campaign=RD
Everyone involved will pay dearly for their part in this crisis. A lot of precedents were made. My biggest disappointment was the behavior of EU.
It seems there were some shootings and clashes in Donetsk, Kharkiv and Lugansk. I hate using RT or CNN as news source, we'll just have to wait and see.
Misantropic division. On a Russian social network, no less.
https://vk.com/w8tan
 
bigvlada said:
Panama, Puerto Rico, Cuba for instance weren’t conquests?

No, they weren't, for the simple fact that the US *didn't* *keep* *them.* Hell, the US has been trying to get rid of Puerto Rico for generations, but they're latched on like a damn tick.
 
Orionblamblam said:
bigvlada said:
Panama, Puerto Rico, Cuba for instance weren’t conquests?

No, they weren't, for the simple fact that the US *didn't* *keep* *them.* Hell, the US has been trying to get rid of Puerto Rico for generations, but they're latched on like a damn tick.

Strange definition of "conquest" you're using there but then that isn't unusual, now is it?

The history books show otherwise. The US didn't come into control of those territories by any other means, except "conquest".
 
Several hours before the Crimean referendum
Thing are not looking good in East Ukraine.
the Russian majority there start same thing like in Crimean in last week.

seems that in next week East Ukraine will have also a referendum…

And USA reaction to that ?
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Democrat Kerry, people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones

by the way…
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"Russian Troops Seize Gas Plant Beyond Crimean Border, Ukraine Says"

By ANDREW E. KRAMER MARCH 15, 2014

Source:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/16/world/europe/russian-troops-seize-gas-plant-beyond-crimean-border-ukraine-says.html?_r=0

KIEV, Ukraine — At least 80 Russian troops landed by helicopter Saturday to seize a natural gas terminal just beyond the regional border of Crimea, the Ukrainian government said. The action was Russia’s most provocative since its forces took over Crimea two weeks ago.

The latest troop advance comes one day before Crimea is to vote on whether to secede from Ukraine and is testing Ukrainian leaders’ resolve to engage Russia’s much more powerful military if it moved beyond Crimea.

By late afternoon, Ukranian troops were stationed outside the gas plant, which is on a slender sand bar to the east of the Crimean Peninsula, according to Unian, a Ukrainian news service that spoke to local police. The news agency did not say if shots had been fired.

The Ukrainian foreign ministry issued a statement saying Ukraine “reserves the right to use all necessary measures” to stop what it called “the military invasion by Russia.”

Ukrainians have feared for some time that as Russia tightened its control over Crimea, it would also try to secure key infrastructure supporting the peninsula that lie outside its administrative borders, including a reservoir of fresh water in Ukraine’s Kherson region.

Unian reported initially that helicopters had landed near the village of Strelkovoye on the Arabatskaya Spit, in the Azov Sea that links Crimea to the mainland.

The Ukrainian foreign ministry statement said about 80 troops landed on the spit, supported by four helicopters and three armored vehicles. The Ukrainian ministry of defense said it also had scrambled aircraft without specifying what type.

A Pentagon spokeswoman said on Saturday afternoon that American officials had not confirmed the reported incursion and had no comment.

The Russian move appeared to fit the pattern of deployment on Crimea: Unian cited local residents saying soldiers without identifying insignia had landed near the gas terminal but their origin was hardly in doubt, as they had landed in helicopters with Russia’s red-star tail art.

Even before the incursion, Ukraine’s acting president, Oleksandr V. Turchynov, warned on Saturday that, “the situation is very dangerous. I am not exaggerating. There is a real danger of an invasion of Ukrainian territory.” He called on Parliament to hold an extraordinary session Monday morning to authorize emergency funding to the ministry of defense.

Ukrainian officials were especially anxious because of reports of street fighting breaking out in cities in the eastern provinces of Ukraine between protesters who are pro-Russian and those who support the Ukrainian government in Kiev. Russian officials have said they stood ready to enter the Ukrainian mainland if they felt ethnic Russian citizens were in danger.

On Saturday, Russia’s foreign ministry reiterated that. “Russia has received many calls to protect peaceful citizens,” the foreign ministry said in a statement. “These requests are being considered.”

The statement went on to denounce what it called provocations against ethnic Russians in several eastern cities, including Kharkiv, where two people were killed and several wounded in a violent clash on Friday night.

The Ukrainian military in Crimea had reported Friday that Russian forces on the peninsula were shifting tanks, artillery and troops to the north of the region, toward the Ukrainian mainland. A spokesman in Crimea, Vladislav Seleznyov, said that a column of more than 100 military vehicles was seen on a highway. Elsewhere on the peninsula, he said, troops and trucks towing artillery pieced moved from Kerch, a city near the strait of the same name separating Crimea from Russia, to the north, and a cargo train carried armored vehicles from the south to the north of the region.

In Russia, there have been numerous anecdotal reports of troop movements near Ukraine’s border. While the military has announced a series of operations to test the readiness of forces, the movements have been seen as preparation for a push across the border. Russian officials, including Foreign Minister Sergey V. Lavrov after meeting with Secretary of State John Kerry on Friday in London, have insisted that Russia did not intend to send armed forces into southern or eastern Ukraine.
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10700496/Russian-troops-in-mainland-Ukraine-ahead-of-Crimea-vote.html
 
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26599776


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10699751/Ukraine-crisis-how-Kiev-protests-triggered-a-new-Cold-War.html
 
Orionblamblam said:
bigvlada said:
Panama, Puerto Rico, Cuba for instance weren’t conquests?

No, they weren't, for the simple fact that the US *didn't* *keep* *them.* Hell, the US has been trying to get rid of Puerto Rico for generations, but they're latched on like a damn tick.
I think I understand what you are trying to say, for you the term conquest means that after the war or invasion the victor incorporates conquered land into itself. So, Lithuania and California were conquests but Panama and Hungary weren’t? The victor doesn’t necessarily need to do that, there are a plethora of ways to subjugate a country.
Here’s a thread on militaryphotos forum with videos and pictures from Kiev and Crimea, starting January.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?236005-Situation-in-the-Ukraine-Crimea-*Photos-Videos*-ONLY
Seems that those misanthropic division idiots killed two people and put pictures on their vkontakte account, but later removed them.
This is how you start a civil war, give Nazis an armored personnel carrier.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ7TEHzeYZ4
What will happen if they use it to explain for example to people in Kharkiv why the Russian shouldn’t be an official language?
Former US ambassador’s view of these events
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/who-is-the-bully-the-united-states-has-treated-russia-like-a-loser-since-the-cold-war/2014/03/14/b0868882-aa06-11e3-8599-ce7295b6851c_story.html
The Ukrainian ambassador to UN proposed a UN reform where permanent Security Council members wouldn’t have a veto. Surreal.
This is not good, every side in this conflict has both hands firmly on their ears and yells its opinion.
 

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Dreamfighter said:
Besides those reports about a Ukrainian mainland village (just north above Crimea) now being under Russian invasion as well, there is report by BBC World and Reuters about NATO-websites being under cyber-attack on Saturday.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/16/us-ukraine-nato-idUSBREA2E0T320140316


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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10701062/Ukraine-crisis-Pro-Russians-storm-government-building-in-Donetsk.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/latvia/10700150/Latvian-bar-bans-patrons-from-ordering-in-Russian.html
 
Grey Havoc said:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26599776

16:44: As a reminder, voting is set to close at 20:00 (18:00 GMT) on Sunday. Preliminary results are expected to be released shortly after polling stations close.
 
A major disconnect with reality indeed.

Meanwhile, back in said reality:
Around 93% of voters in Crimea have backed joining Russia and seceding from Ukraine, according to exit polls quoted by Russian news agencies.

Polls closed at 18:00 GMT and officials hailed a "record" turnout. Preliminary results are expected within hours.

Many opponents boycotted the vote, which has been rejected by the US and the EU as illegitimate.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26598832
 
21:05: ITV's Europe editor James Mates tweets: Off. figs crimea 79% turnout, 95.5% yes to Russia. 12% of pop Tatar - boycotted. 10% ethnic Ukrainian. Suggests almost every Russian voted
 
Now that Putin has demonstrated that it's valid to chop up a nation along ethnic lines, I can't see how he'd mind expanding the program. Here are some suggestions...

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Agreed, but even if it is indeed a highly controversial topic and even more since I know that I as a German has to be very careful with such statements, but I'm deeply worried about this development :-\ , since it could easily be a precedent for similar actions in the Eastern Ukraine, in the Baltic states ... ??? ... so what's next.

No offence, but IMO it has a ceratin taste of "heim ins Reich" !

Deino
 
Orionblamblam said:
Now that Putin has demonstrated that it's valid to chop up a nation along ethnic lines, I can't see how he'd mind expanding the program. Here are some suggestions...

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And the point of posting that is?

And I'm accused of being a troll? ::) ::) ::)
 
There is a point in arguing that Putin is opening Pandora's box in taking the Crimea away from Ukraine. If China 'discovers' ethnic groups whose habitats straddle Chinese/Siberian territory, then finds these ethnic groups are in need of protection across the border, China can claim the same right/duty to intervention as Putin is claiming now.

Whether Putin will still be in power if/when China decides it's worth a try, I don't know.
 
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