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Richard Vogt and Kawasaki aeroplanes and projects

Jjr

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As you all know Richard Vogt was send to Kawasaki by Dornier for the production of Dornier types.
Later he became chief designer at the Kawasaki factory.
For a few types there is information which he designed for the company.
But who can help me with a list of aeroplanes and projects designed by Vogt for the company?
Details of these aeroplanes and projects are welcome, special the projects.
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Hi Jjr,

Dr. Richard Vogt stayed in Kawasaki from 1923 to 1933,he designed KDA-2 light
bomber and recce versions,also KDC-2 experimental transport airplane,followed
by KDA-3 experimental fighter and anther experimental recce carrier aircraft of 1927,
he assisted the Japanese designer Takeo Doi to develop the KDA-5 Army Type-92
fighter.

In early 1930,the KDA-6 recce airplane,later was improved into A-6 communication
monoplane,went forward by Ki-3 light bomber and Ki-5 cantilever low-wing monoplane
fighter,finally the KDC-5 communication airplane of 1933,for Projects you can ask
my dear Blackkite.
 

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Jjr,

I recommend to read his memoirs (Weltumspannende Memoiren eines Flugzeugkonstrukteurs [Global memoirs of an aircraft designer]) where he tells about his years in Japan.
 

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Basil

Thanks for the information, I have tried to find thid books, but without any succes.

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Hi!

Japanese wiki.
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%AA%E3%83%92%E3%83%A3%E3%83%AB%E3%83%88%E3%83%BB%E3%83%95%E3%82%A9%E3%83%BC%E3%82%AF%E3%83%88
"クラウディウス・ドルニエの代わりに短期間イタリアに行き、1923年から1933年まで日本の神戸にあるドルニエ機をライセンス生産していた川崎造船所(川崎航空機)へ派遣された。日本で主任設計技師の地位を与えられ、後に三式戦闘機「飛燕」を設計する後継者となる若い技術者の土井武夫を育成。この期間に、川崎KDA-5陸軍九二式複葉戦闘機、川崎KDA-2陸軍八八式複葉偵察機、川崎KDA-3単座戦闘機(土井武夫との共作)を含む数機種の設計を行った。"

"設計した航空機

日本
川崎 KDA-2 陸軍八八式偵察機(1927年、710機製造)
川崎 KDA-3単座戦闘機(1928年、3機製造)
川崎 KDA-5 陸軍九二式戦闘機(1930年、385機製造)"

KDA means Kawasaki Dockyard, Army.
 

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Hi! Russian site is excellent. ;D Please try translator.
KDA-2
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/other1/kda2.html
KDA-3
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fww1/kda3.html
KDA-5
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fww1/kda5.html
KDC-2
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/cw1/kdc2.html
KDA-6
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/other1/kda6.html
KDC-5
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/cw1/kdc5.html
Ki-3
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawasaki_Ki-3
Ki-5
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawasaki_Ki-5
 

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Japanese site.
http://military.sakura.ne.jp/ac/kda2.htm
English site.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawasaki_Army_Type_88_Reconnaissance_Aircraft
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawasaki_KDA-3
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawasaki_Army_Type_92_Fighter
 

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Thanks for the information, but what do you know/have about projects designed by Vogt during the time he worked for Kawasaki?
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Hi!
Richard Vogt designed aircraft in Kawasaki
(1) The Army Type 88 Reconnaissance-plane(The Kawasaki KDA-2)
(2) The Army Type 88 Light Bomber(The Kawasaki KDA-2)
(3) The Experimental KDC-2 Transport-plane
(4) The Experimental KDA-3 Fighter
(5) The Army Type 92 Fighter(The Kawasaki KDA-5)
(6) The Experimental KDA-6 Reconnaissance-plane
(The Experimental A-6 Communication-plane)
(7) The Army Type 93 Single-Engined Light-Bomber(Ki-3)
(8) The Kawasaki C-5(KDC-5) Communication-plane(He did direction)
(9) The Experimental Ki-5 Fighter(He did direction)

Source : ENCYCLOPEDIA OF JAPANESE AIRCRAFT VOL.4 KAWASAKI AIRCRAFT CONTENTS
 

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Maveric said:
Do not annoy, blackkite san! I am grateful to you.
Thank you very much for your gentle words, my great master. :D

Bottom drawing explanation.
(1)No.1 KDA-5
(2)Preston cooler testing experimental aircraft
(3)Modified cooler testing experimental aircraft
 

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Hai Blackkite, I will thank you for this nice and good material you send.
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You're welcome. :D
 

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I have never found the designation KDA-1 either in internet nor in literature ;
I suspect this should be credited to the Kawasaki Army type 87 Heavy Bomber Aircraft ( Hachi-Nana-Shiki Jūbakugekiki ).
Then the Kawasaki KDA system designation list would look like below :

KDA-2 ............ Army type 88 Reconnaissance Aircraft ( Hachi-Hachi-Shiki Teisatsuki ).
KDA-2 Kai ....... Army type 88 Light Bomber Aircraft ( Hachi-Hachi-Shiki Keibakugekiki ).
KDA-3 ............ Army Experimental / Prototype Fighter Aircraft ( Shisaku Sentōki ).
KDA-4 ............ ?
KDA-5 ............. Army type 92 Fighter Aircraft ( Kyū-Ni-Shiki Sentōki ).
KDA-6 ............. Army Experimental / Prototype Reconnaissance Aircraft ( Shisaku Teisatsuki ).
KDA-7 ............. Army type 93 Single-engined Light Bomber Aircraft Ki-3 ( Kyū-San-Shiki Tankeibakugekiki Ki-3 ).
KDA-8 ............. Army Experimental / Prototype Fighter Aircraft Ki-5 ( Shisaku Sentōki Ki-5 ).
KDA-9 ............. Army type 95 Fighter Aircraft Ki-10 ( Kyū-Go-Shiki Sentōki Ki-10 ).
 

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HmHm.....Logical. Give me time. It's a good and a hard question. ;)
 

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Oh my God,you made my day,

thank you my dear Boogey,and from the book; Japanese Aircraft 1910-1941,
here is the reason for why they didn't use KDA-4
 

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Well, the Japaneses use also the word Yon for the Four.
 

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I can't find any information about KDA-1.
According to ENCYCLOPEDIA OF JAPANESE AIRCRAFT VOL.4 KAWASAKI AIRCRAFT CONTENTS, the Army Type 87 Heavy Bomber was called as Kawasaki Dornier Do.N.

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%89%E3%83%AB%E3%83%8B%E3%82%A8_Do.N

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kawasaki_Army_Type_87_Heavy_Bomber.jpg

http://www.aero.or.jp/isan/gallery/miyahara-album-003/photos/AHA-MA-003-014-003.html
 

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Maybe we shouldn't search for the official designation KDA-1 as is might never be given to the aircraft type. I guess the numeration had begun
from the second type built for the IJA. Such things happen sometimes to enthusiasts of aircratft designation systems for making them happy ;D
 

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Hi!
The Experimental Ki-5 fighter. Four aircraft were completed.
Leader : Richard Vogt , Designer : Takeo Doi.

This fighter is the Kawasaki's first cantilever , low wing, monoplane, completed in February 1934.
The performance of this fighter was far below the calculation forecast.
In particular, there were the lack of lateral stability at low speeds, vibration of the engine and malfunction of the cooling system.
The effort to solve these problems was continued for six months, after all, this fighter was rejected.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawasaki_Ki-5

http://forum.valka.cz/topic/view/30514/Kawasaki-Ki-5

http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fww1/ki5.html
 

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The Kawasaki Ki-5 experimental fighter was last of the Richard Vogt's design in Japan. After his return to Germany he designed the P6 diving bomber project for the Luftwaffe, based on the Ki-5 which later became the Blohm und Voss Ha 137.
 

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Boogey said:
The Kawasaki Ki-5 experimental fighter was last of the Richard Vogt's design in Japan. After his return to Germany he designed the P6 diving bomber project for the Luftwaffe, based on the Ki-5 which later became the Blohm und Voss Ha 137.
New Info my dear,thanks.
 

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Boogey said:
The Kawasaki Ki-5 experimental fighter was last of the Richard Vogt's design in Japan. After his return to Germany he designed the P6 diving bomber project for the Luftwaffe, based on the Ki-5 which later became the Blohm und Voss Ha 137.
Oh thanks a lot. :D

http://alternathistory.livejournal.com/839680.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburger_Flugzeugbau_Ha_137
 

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The single-seat civil training monoplane Ha 136, Richard Vogt's earlier design of 1934 in the Hamburger Flugzeugbau.
http://www.histaviation.com/Hamburger_Flugzeugbau_Ha_136.html
 

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Oh straight wing!!
 

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Vogt's Ha 136 was civilian airplane so it didn't need to get much advanced aerodinamic technology, though.
 

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Hi! Vogt designed Rikugun(The IJA) (Kawasaki) experimental three seats light bomber.
Competitor of Mitsubishi 2MB2. Winner was Mitsubishi 2MB1.

Source : THE XPLANES of IMPERIAL JAPANESE ARMY & NAVY 1924~45
 

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You will have to read a little German, but here is the book by Vogt.

 

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Thanks! I gave up to study German in a week. ;)
 

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Hi late response, but there were some personal problems.
You can see on the earley projects influence of Dornier construction.
About the Rikugun IJA, was this a design during Vogt's Kawasaki period or before? Which year?
Are there more details of this aeroplanes, technical/dimensions etc.?
Are there any drawings and/or pictures which shows the inside construction?
Pictures of these aeroplanes under construction?
Would be interresting.
Thanks
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Hi late response, but there were some personal problems.
You can see on the earley projects influence of Dornier construction.
About the Rikugun IJA, was this a design during Vogt's Kawasaki period or before? Which year?
Are there more details of this aeroplanes, technical/dimensions etc.?
Are there any drawings and/or pictures which shows the inside construction?
Pictures of these aeroplanes under construction?
Would be interresting.
Thanks
Jjr
Good and hard questions!! Give me time.;)
 
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